2010 OcUK Motors Review/Recap thread.

[MikeHiow]

Neither them can be considered to handle badly, but quite simply my requirements for a car were different then. Comfort and practicality were considerations then, amongst other things - ultimately they were a compromise.

Being my own car, a toy that only I'll drive and not very often at that, the new car does not need to be compromised.

Please do correct if I'm wrong then, but you made an offer to buy a car, having not driven it nor one of them. Had your offer been accepted would you have retracted it if you didn't like the drive/feel or the actually example didn't turn out to be as nice as advertised?

Yep, but then you knew this as you used this argument last time. I'd have to be an idiot to buy a car just to avoid wasting someone's time. Fortunately though, I have a lot of faith in my ability to make a pre-judgement.

 

[loltim]

I'm talking about the EK9 and the previous thread, you had an original shortlist that did not include an EK9, you read a forum, said you were having a test drive and actually got a passenger ride and then had decided that a car hundreds of miles away was mint and the dream.

meh, I bought my EK9 from Southampton, approximately 220 miles from my house. I drove it round Southampton docks first, but the deal was pretty much done anyway.

All EK9's have been nailed/thrashed in Japan before they're imported. If the body panels are straight it's probably OK. It's not like buying a Fiat.

 

[Joshy]

I see you ignored Jonny's comment

I get there in the end

'if more so' - Pure conjecture and rubbish mixed with personal guesswork, they are pretty much as good as hot hatches come. I said that in the last thread on the same subject anyway.

Look, I'm not really willing to argue this because there isn't much point. £5,000 buys you an awful lot of "Hoon car". To the vast majority of people it buys more than a 13 year old Civic. Case in point would be the example that Mike tried to buy - Absolute Bargain according to the owners club, and yet it still took several weeks/months to shift.

Put a Track preped 205 GTI, or E30/E36 or 16v 106/Saxo, or MX5, or MR2 or any of the other "Hoon cars" easily available for this sort of budget up for a "bargain" price and people are going to be beating down your door for it.

If you're the type of person who thinks without question that £5k+ for a 13 year old Honda Civic is a bargain and one the best cars you can get for the money then fair game, that is your vice and nothing I can say is going to change your mind. I just don't think Mike is one of those people deep down. I think he's got a bit of sense .

 

[Kenai]

I'm at a loss as to how anyone can describe an 8000rpm MIVEC V6 as 'lazy' :/

 

[Peerzy]

Yep, but then you knew this as you used this argument last time. I'd have to be an idiot to buy a car just to avoid wasting someone's time. Fortunately though, I have a lot of faith in my ability to make a pre-judgement.

Was just checking that I had things correct.

meh, I bought my EK9 from Southampton, approximately 220 miles from my house. I drove it round Southampton docks first, but the deal was pretty much done anyway.

All EK9's have been nailed/thrashed in Japan before they're imported. If the body panels are straight it's probably OK. It's not like buying a Fiat.

Think someone once told me some of these engines need pretty expensive rebuilds at about 60k though? I guess that would be a hard 60k on a motorway though and not 60k spent being tracked or thrashed.

Not getting the Fiat comment.

 

[HamZilla]

My primary highlight of Motors was attending my first Motors Meet in the first quarter.

It was a great opportunity to meet luminaries such as Fox, Paradigm, Moeks, Solid, Howard, L0rdMike, Gibbo, Steedie, and many more.
If you haven't yet been to one and/or you are put off by the take no prisoners attitude of the forum then I would recommend it as you are likely to find a very friendly, helpful and likeable bunch.
I would have liked to have come to more since but circumstances are not in my favour at the moment.

 

[MikeHiow]

The cash price is irrelevant. You need to look at the bigger picture, Joshy - total cost of ownership is far more important.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Lazy != Low rev limit.

I always thought a 'lazy engine' would one with ample low down torque which doesnt need to be worked particularly hard to get the performance out of it. Pretty much the opposite, then, of a MIVEC V6.

But again, FTO does not appeal, nor do I believe it has any of what I like so much about the Hondas.

Seems like a pretty similar car to me. Decent chassis, great handling, high revving engine, 200bhp, barely any kit (Ours had no airbags, no ABS...).

 

[[TW]Fox]

The cash price is irrelevant. You need to look at the bigger picture, Joshy - total cost of ownership is far more important.

Yea when spending £20k, you are spending less than £5k, therefore the cash you've got to spend on it in the first place is thus more important. £5k cars have depreciated already, further depreciation is negligable. It really doesnt matter.

 

[loltim]

Think someone once told me some of these engines need pretty expensive rebuilds at about 60k though?

Who told you that? He's wrong.

 

[MikeHiow]

Yea when spending £20k, you are spending less than £5k, therefore the cash you've got to spend on it in the first place is thus more important. £5k cars have depreciated already, further depreciation is negligable. It really doesnt matter.

It isn't irrelevant at all.

I am not going to miss £5k at all, so if I can buy a £2k car and sell it for £1750 a year later, or if I buy a £5k car and can sell it for £4750 a year later makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever.

 

[stoke1863]

What about second hand i10 that was almost the same price as a new one. The op was adamant he had a cracking deal and the i10 was epic.


Also that dude who pretended he was after a new car when infact it was for his rich father in law. Even tried showing pictures of the house and stuff to prove he was loaded

 

[Peerzy]

Who told you that? He's wrong.

Mike iirc.

 

[MikeHiow]

Who told you that? He's wrong.

He's talking about me, not that I actually repeated this as fact, but rather stated* that the CEO of Spoon had mentioned they should be rebuilt after 60k on the Type-R Legends video.

More selective reading/quoting by Peerzy.

*(I believe I worded it like "It has been said that....")

 

[loltim]

He's talking about me, not that I actually repeated this as fact, but rather stated that the CEO of Spoon had mentioned they should be rebuilt after 60k on the Type-R Legends video.

More selective reading/quoting by Peerzy.

is that the same guy that advises oil changes every 1k or something daft? dunno, I know B series tend to smoke a bit towards 100k, but a rebuild at 60k? surely not!

 

[Peerzy]

oh. lol.

Sure he wasn't talking about a mazda RX7?

No, actually he was trying to make a point that an RX-8 engine isn't unreliable and Honda engines should be rebuilt after 60k.

Seem to remember him also saying motorway miles were worse than track miles (with something about the track car would be in better nick afterwards as it would get a nice service).

 

[Joshy]

The cash price is irrelevant. You need to look at the bigger picture, Joshy - total cost of ownership is far more important.

You make it seem like the other alternatives are Ferraris .

All of the cars I just mentioned are going to cost around about the same amount of money to run. And that's long before you factor in the far lower initial purchasing costs.

I know you're going to say "But I don't want those cars" but I honestly won't buy that argument until you've actually gotten behind the wheel of a EK9, and then driven some of the cars that you're so quick to **** off as rubbish.

 

[MikeHiow]

is that the same guy that advises oil changes every 1k or something daft? dunno, I know B series tend to smoke a bit towards 100k, but a rebuild at 60k? surely not!

No idea, I was simply referencing something I had seen. I made no mention of believing it, but it seems feasible that he may be referring to some wear that may result in the engine no longer making optimal power after this time.

 

[MikeHiow]

You make it seem like the other alternatives are Ferraris .

All of the cars I just mentioned are going to cost around about the same amount of money to run. And that's long before you factor in the far lower initial purchasing costs.

I know you're going to say "But I don't want those cars" but I honestly won't buy that argument until you've actually gotten behind the wheel of a EK9, and then driven some of the cars that you're so quick to **** off as rubbish.

It isn't irrelevant at all.

I am not going to miss £5k at all, so if I can buy a £2k car and sell it for £1750 a year later, or if I buy a £5k car and can sell it for £4750 a year later makes absolutely no difference to me whatsoever.

If it makes no odds to me, I may as well have the one I want, no?

 

[loltim]

No idea, I was simply referencing something I had seen. I made no mention of believing it, but it seems feasible that he may be referring to some wear that may result in the engine no longer making optimal power after this time.

Dunno, mine at 10 years old and 100k+ still made 185bhp.