Focus ST or Impreza WRX?

A ppp ecu and an ecutek'd ecu is no different, just the name on the licence says "prodrive" instead of "standard tuner licence"
One licence for prodrive, one licence for me. Non interchangeable.
I even did the damn testing with prodrive when the calibration as they call it, was being developed. (calibration being the map)

Edit to add*
early on EcuTek did use a part hardware mod or piggy back ecu but ghat was purely due to the fact software wasn't developed enough back then to control everything (or simply the ecu design wasn't understood. Now that it's been cracked it can all be done with software on all ecu's 99 onwards. Ecu's previous to that use chips that cannot handle programming in the same way so your best option there if you have one of those "old ****ters" is to stick it on an after Market solution like Simtek, then I can get at it with the laptop again :)
 
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Ev0 said:
ppp info stuff
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The exhaust on that model isn't a simple downpipe, centre section and back box. And the ppp does replace one of cats. It's on a flat section under the gearbox immediately after the downpipe. It's this one that gets changed
 
Right, don't listen to scoobynet for christ sake, you'll be more confused than when you started.
THIS, is what you get with a ppp for a wrx

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As a WRX owner, and having been in an ST the WRX is much more fun to drive. Even with my WRX with no mods other than an induction kit it's quick. 0 - 60 in 5.4seconds. As the car is 4WD (or AWD as Subaru call it) then it is great fun for handling, the suspension is aimed at twisty/turny roads so is well suited to a fun days drive.
 
Ace Modder said:
As a WRX owner, and having been in an ST the WRX is much more fun to drive. Even with my WRX with no mods other than an induction kit it's quick. 0 - 60 in 5.4seconds. As the car is 4WD (or AWD as Subaru call it) then it is great fun for handling, the suspension is aimed at twisty/turny roads so is well suited to a fun days drive.
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I think 5.4 seconds to 0-60 is actually quite impressive for a (relatively) low powered car.

I was mildly tempted by a 'bug eye' ones before getting the Soarer, but as has been mentioned they have such small blowers from the factory it makes getting moderate numbers (300bhp+) seem like a bit of a mission. That and insurance was nothing short of ridiculous.

From what I understand you'll be lucky to get a quote under 25, let alone one for a reasonable price :eek:.
 
I got a bug eye 2002 model which is 227 bhp at stock - unsure as to what it is with the air induction kit fitted. Prob 5-7 more???

My quote wasn't too bad, I'm 29 with only having my license 2.5 years, and 2 years NCB my insurance fully comp with all bells and whistles with an excess of £250 was only £980
 
0-60 times are deceptive with Imprezas, I mean this is just off the time for an E46 M3 yet the M3 will rinse the WRX from say a rolling start at 30MPH.

Also, if you achieve 5.4 seconds regularly, the bills for replacement clutches would mount up quite quickly, I reckon :D

On the insurance side, a Bugeye UK WRX is £911 for me. Seems ridiculous when I can insure an STI RA for £1100. I would have expected it [uk WRX] to be down with 200SXs, DC2s, MR2 Turbos etc. - around the £600 mark.

Edit: for clarification, I'm 24 and Imprezas have been the same to insure for me for the last few years :(
 
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MikeHiow said:
0-60 times are deceptive with Imprezas, I mean this is just off the time for an E46 M3 yet the M3 will rinse the WRX from say a rolling start at 30MPH.

Also, if you achieve 5.4 seconds regularly, the bills for replacement clutches would mount up quite quickly, I reckon :D
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LOL the Impreza clutch is awesome for ruggedness, it's far more hardwearing than the clutch on an Evo X for example.
 
I'm sure it is, but it is still going to be a weak point in a full bore launch on a warm, dry day. A friend of mine with a mapped MY05 STI PPP had his clutch done at around 25k miles IIRC. My brother with his UK WRX has recently had the cars clutch done for the second time (First before his ownership).

I expect if they were never launched hard then they'd last forever, but that kind of defeats the point if the 0-60 time is part of what attracts you to it.
 
I'd rather it munched clutches rather than major transmission components like many performance orientated 4WD cars that are lunched hard repeatedly .

Clutch - Consumable.
Entire Gearbox - Not :D.
 
I've managed I think 4.7s in my EVO X when it was standard with revs around 3000rpm for launch, the clutch smelt a bit then. :D

Never tried launch control yet which is 5500rpm. :eek:

But the 5speed box in the X is very strong, capable of 600 horses or so and lots of hard launching, with a decent clutch they'd probably be very good for 1/4 mile abuse. :D
 
5 Speed Imprezas have a reputation for munching gearboxes too, IIRC.

I think all the big power Imprezas end up putting the 6 speed in.
 
Kenai said:
Make sure there is a video camera recording this event when you do eventually try (we all know you will sooner or later) :p
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Yeah can imagine that video now............

Right guys this is LC in an EVO X...............

Ah 0-60 in never, time to call road side assist. :D
 
Orrrrrr you can put it in drive and put your foot down the required amount :D
 
MikeHiow said:
Do I remember reading the GTR's launch control could only be used three times before it voided your warranty?
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From what I understand, the controversy stems from the fact that Pre 2010MY GTRs did not come with launch control. What it did come with was a mode for getting the car moving in low traction situations which did make the car launch marginally quicker in the bone dry, but was pretty hard on the car. So you had people using a feature for something that it wasn't intended for and then moaning on the internet when Nissan wouldn't fork out a couple of grands for a new transmission under warranty.

In 2010 cars they've dropped the amount of RPM that the car takes off at in this mode so it can be used as "Launch control" without the transmission topping itself.

I think the 3 strikes and you need a new clutch thing is for Ferraris with LC pre 458 but am not 100% sure.
 
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