If China or Russia become militarily stronger than the west

I have a feeling we could actually see China and the US/West move closer together as partners over the next 20 years. Globalisation of commercial and financial markets along with the US and West beginning to move away from a post WWII attitude of being arrogant super powers could actually be the most stabalising move the world has seen in a long long time.

The potential difficulty is going to be India becoming more and more of a super power in it's own right, it's relations with China and Pakistan deteriorating and a move to align itself with Russia/ex CCCP as a block to counter the dominance of the USA/China.

Western Europe will increasing play third place, maintain a degree of neutrality and links with the Indian /Russian and USA/China partnerships. If the EU can play that game successfully it could have a hugely beneficial financial and commercial benefit.

Of course that's a very crude way of drawing the lines and nothing is ever quite that hard and fast. It's interesting to ponder though, the choices governments make over the next few years could lead us down a road to peace and stability or a string of proxy wars played out around the world.

Or I could just be talking twaddle. :)
 
ProOrWhat said:
Hilarious. What is Europe going to do? The only 2 viable countries with military strength in Europe are U.K. and France.
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France? What are they going to do? Surrender in such great numbers they trample the enemy? :p

But in all seriousness Europe would never be able to make one super-army. The Different languages, training and tactics would mean that instead of having on large army, you would have lots of small armies.

And so say if the Chinese invaded Europe, you would have one army who spoke the same language, had the same training and all used the same tactics against 20 or more small armies speaking different languages, having different training and different tactics, who do you think would win?
 
Remember, the F22 is 25yr old tech - designed in 1986 and first flown in 1990.

The PAF KA only had it's first flight on Jan 29th 2010 - of course it's going to be superior to the F22 - it's 20 yrs newer!

The US (and the UK) will have designs (and probably prototypes in the case of the US) that far outclass the PAF KA.
 
Saytan said:
the USA spends 6 times the amount china spends on its military

and this is still only 4% of their GDP as opposed to China's 2%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
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It doesn't mean their military is 6 times better though. I rekon a lot of that defense budget gets wasted. It's all about profit for the arms companies who bid for contracts to make weapons. American science and technology is probably far superior though.

Chinese can work for less and make things for less than Americans can. I think that the money comparison gives a false impression of their strength.
 
XeNoN89 said:
This is actually possible, i believe they both claim ownership over quite a large bit of land, and recently india increased troop numbers in the disputed area.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-11818840
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They did I believe have a war during Mao's reign albeit a short one 1960ish from memory that was not widely reported or indeed well known. From memory I think China made significant inroads before a ceasefire when they felt they had made their point about interference in Tibet. India however I suspect will be looking at problems from the left not the top-right.
 
Efour2 said:
OEM F22s!!!!
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Surely you mean KIRF's ? :p

As far as I understand China sticks to China made stuff and clearly is going through project after project to refine/catchup, I don't see them signing contracts to buy external hardware. They are booming so I think its only natural that there is a mini arms race going on.

WHICH in turn:

Also Russia's military spending is due to be brought back in line during 2015/18? (cannot recall) because they are basically restructuring and making their army more smaller and refined. Nuclear subs are due to be retired I believe in line with available war heads due to the agreement with US?

I think Russia has no option but to spend and refine its military forces so it doesn't look weak next to China, but to be fair China is still young and as big as their army, I'm not worried.

Russia/China/India etc, I guess its all good for business!


/Armchair General signing off, roger, roger.
 
rypt said:
Not going to happen, besides F22 is even more stealthy, and Typhoon can hold it's own against F35 more or less despite being more multi-role
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There is no facts backing that up, there is no live data for the typhoon up against the F35 or any russian/chinese fighters.

pure speculation......
 
why would china want to do this? they already own america. china has already won the war, the economic war. the us needs china to continue to buy its debt or its currency would be destroyed and its people would starve - you don't need fighter planes in that situation.
 
plasmahal said:
There is no facts backing that up, there is no live data for the typhoon up against the F35 or any russian/chinese fighters.

pure speculation......
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Exercise Indra Dhanush? And I thought the few people that had flown those planes mentioned all stated they were near as perfect for their roles but that their roles were different.
 
plasmahal said:
There is no facts backing that up, there is no live data for the typhoon up against the F35 or any russian/chinese fighters.

pure speculation......
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No, but there is evidence for the Typhoon besting F22's. Seeing as F22's are in all ways superior to F35's then it's a logical assumption that Typhoons will also best F35's.

"more recently, there have been repeated reports that two RAF Typhoons deployed to the USA for OEU trails work have been flying against the F-22 at NAS China Lake, and have peformed better than was expected. There was little suprise that Typhoon, with its world-class agility and high off-boresight missile capability was able to dominate "Within Visual Range" flight, but the aircraft did cause a suprise by getting a radar lock on the F22 at a suprisingly long range. The F-22s cried off, claiming that they were "unstealthed" anyway, although the next day´s scheduled two vs. two BWR engagement was canceled, and "the USAF decided they didn´t want to play any more .

- When this incident was reported on a website frequented by front-line RAF aircrew a senior RAF officer urged an end to the converstaion on security grounds"
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http://eucitizens.eu/Forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=bakv0190d2kovplul0kbn12b75&topic=166.0
 
Slam62 said:
Hello

Just stumbled across some interesting stuff about Chinese and Russian stealth fighters with the potential to be superior in operation to the F35 let alone Typhoon.

How would you feel if the technolgical balance swung clearly the way of the Chinese and the Russians?

Would you feel secure in such a situation?

Do you think that once the Chinese catch up (overtake?) the west, the west will be able to hold it's own?

Apparently India are a technology partner with Russia.
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I would be more worried about China and Russia having more economic power over the west.
This will hurt us more than any new stealth fighter.
Also China and Russia aiding terrorist groups via Iran is my real military concern.
 
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