Question about the misuse of drugs act.

Sp00n · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:00

He missed out the word statistically.

rypt · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:01

Burnsy2023 said:
I'm not going to derail the thread but that statement is rather flawed.

No it is not

Long term Cannabis use by an adult has lower body harm than long term alcohol consumption, especially if you do not smoke the cannabis

Burnsy2023 · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:02

rypt said:
No it is not

Long term Cannabis use by an adult has lower body harm than long term alcohol consumption

You're statement there is also flawed. You are limiting 'safety' to personal bodily harm which isn't a holistic measurement.

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:04

Cannabis may or may not be 'safer'

It is however very definitely illegal making it rather difficult, neigh on impossible to defend in an alcohol versus puff discussion

rypt · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:04

What other harm is there?

Cannabis has less effect on others as it does not cause the person to become angry like alcohol can

NO HOTLINKING

Nicotine and Alcohol are both legal ...

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control reported 20,687 “alcohol-induced deaths” (excluding accidents and homicides) in 2003. Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/alcohol.htm

The CDC has no reports of “marijuana-induced deaths.” (In reality, there may be 2-5 deaths each year attributed to marijuana, but this article -- http://bbsnews.net/bw2005-02-01.html -- describes how these are actually deaths attributable to other causes but “blamed” on marijuana due to the way the data is collected.)

There is little evidence, however, that long-term cannabis use causes permanent cognitive impairment, nor is there is any clear cause and effect relationship to explain the psychosocial associations.

deko · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:07

Will Gill said:
Cannabis may or may not be 'safer'

It is however very definitely illegal making it rather difficult, neigh on impossible to defend in an alcohol versus puff discussion

That's the point though, why is it illegal while alcohol isn't? Making everyone who enjoys a joint or 2 a criminal is a joke.

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:07

rypt said:
What other harm is there?

Cannabis has less effect on others as it does not cause the person to become angry like alcohol can

NO HOTLINKING

Nicotine and Alcohol are both legal ...

Care to find an independent source rather than a site written by bob marley?

rypt · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:08

Exactly as deko put is Will Gill, if our drug policy was based on science then Cannabis would be entirely legal

Sp00n · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:08

Legalise it, tax it, move on to the next thing.

I suspect this thread will be closed in 3....2...

rypt · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:08

Will Gill said:
Care to find an independent source rather than a site written by bob marley?

Source for that pic is as follows

Source: Jack E. Henningfield, PhD for the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), Reported by Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, Aug. 2, 1994 "Is Nicotine Addictive? It Depends on Whose Criteria You Use." Source: http://drugwarfacts.org/addictiv.htm

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:09

deko said:
That's the point though, why is it illegal while alcohol isn't? Making everyone who enjoys a joint or 2 a criminal is a joke.

Don't get me wrong I'm quite happy to puff away to my hearts content, that doesnt change the fact that cannabis is illegal.

The cannabis versus alcohol versus nicoteen agument is boring, just accept (as I have) if you smoke puff and get caught you get your wrist slapped, not really the end of the world

Casdawer · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:13

Drugs are bad mmmkay!

Sp00n · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:14

1994? Lol, you could have picked something a bit more recent

rypt · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:14

I accept that Will Gill as the current situation, but I have to abide by the law

I abide by laws that I see as correct, and not by what some politician with little clue wrote somewhere

The Halk · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:16

rypt said:
I abide by laws that I see as correct, and not by what some politician with little clue wrote somewhere

I'm sure the judge would be very understanding.

What you might want to do though, is publish a little booklet listing any laws that don't apply to you, and any extra laws that you've decided to apply to yourself. That way the police force in your area can carry it around, and can check against that before arresting you. Otherwise they may arrest you for something that you don't consider to be a crime.

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:16

rypt said:
I accept that Will Gill as the current situation, but I have to abide by the law

I abide by laws that I see as correct, and not by what some politician with little clue wrote somewhere

I'm sure the CPS take the same view when they review your "Laws I choose to ignore" form

I'm not a fan of the speed limits in this country, doesnt stop me speeding but it also doesnt stop me being penalised when I'm caught.

deuse · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:18

At the OP
Tell your mate to ask for a Police Certificate(report) in about 4 months to see if the drugs offence is on it.

If the Australian immigration is anything like the USA he won't get a work visa.

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:21

deuse said:
At the OP
Tell your mate to ask for a Police Certificate(report) in about 4 months to see if the drugs offence is on it.

If the Australian immigration is anything like the USA he won't get a work visa.

no criminal record no problem, cautions do not count and are not a requirement to disclose to any immigtration department

Antelopethy · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:22

Will Gill said:
Care to find an independent source rather than a site written by bob marley?

Not to mention that the graph itself just uses arbitrary units of "badness" to represent each drug - how are those values reached exactly?

Will Gill · 6 Jan 2011 at 13:25

Antelopethy said:
Not to mention that the graph itself just uses arbitrary units of "badness" to represent each drug - how are those values reached exactly?

Probably after getting well and truely boxed in a small room

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