24" IPS Monitors in 2011?
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It would be interesting to see some SPLS monitors from Samsung but I don't think we'll see them in anything other than portable devices and possibly very high-end monitors in the near future. Given their commitment to OLED I'm not sure we will ever see them take up the same kind of adoption that IPS is currently undergoing. This summarises what we could gather from CES 2011. As you can see LG were the only manufacturer to announce any upcoming IPS monitors. I would imagine NEC and possibly Dell would have some tricks up their sleaves for later this year but I don't think anything as refreshingly different as LG's lot. Since LG Display manufacturers almost all IPS panels at the moment you aren't likely to see any radical departures from what is already available. I think LG's monitors are interesting because they take a fresh look on the technology from an entertainment perspective to try to make it a little more home-user friendly. I sincerely hope they succeed.
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Yeah I agree. And LG's upcoming IPS monitors are only going up to 23 inches and 1920 x 1080 I believe. It would be nice if the U2410 would either be replaced or undergo a significant price drop to be honest. I love that monitor but I just can't recommend it at the current price.
Fujitsu have got a new IPS series between 23 - 27" available which were announced recently as well. Obviously there's the new LG IPS models coming too.
This is purely speculative, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw a new Dell 24" (possibly IPS + LED which seems to be the trend) and maybe a lower end (than the PA series i mean) NEC model perhaps to follow on from the forthcoming 23" EA232WMi (IPS+LED). Hazro were working on a 24" IPS model as well, but the priority has been the launch of the 30" and now the 27" range.
This is purely speculative, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if we saw a new Dell 24" (possibly IPS + LED which seems to be the trend) and maybe a lower end (than the PA series i mean) NEC model perhaps to follow on from the forthcoming 23" EA232WMi (IPS+LED). Hazro were working on a 24" IPS model as well, but the priority has been the launch of the 30" and now the 27" range.
Why are OCuk not selling this any more? Its a great monitor.
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Some nice info, however I would still like an affordable IPS/OLED(once the technology is good enough) of around 24", with thin bezels, and VESA mounts.
I know it's asking rather a lot, but I think the part of that that's least likely to happen, is the VESA mounts, as more and more monitors seem to be going for the "as thin as possible" approach, and leaving out the VESA mounts. Personally, however, I would much prefer a monitor that's 5-10mm thicker, but have VESA mounts, so that I can use monitor arms...
I know it's asking rather a lot, but I think the part of that that's least likely to happen, is the VESA mounts, as more and more monitors seem to be going for the "as thin as possible" approach, and leaving out the VESA mounts. Personally, however, I would much prefer a monitor that's 5-10mm thicker, but have VESA mounts, so that I can use monitor arms...
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Nice, looks like a potential ZR24w/U2410 beater. Hopefully it'll have better uniformity and less tinting issues.
Baddass, do you have any plans to review the Fujitsu or NEC IPS LED monitors?
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That Asus looks quite nice, would be nice if the UK price reflected the exchange rate with it, rather than just switching the $ to £ like most seem to...
With that colour gamut and price it won't be competing with the U2410 directly but it may provide an interesting alternative to the ZR24w. I have been considering reviewing the NEC EA232WMi from the usual entertainment slant as we've had a fair few requests for this one on the website. I've also nabbed a Spyder3 Elite with the new software from work and that would be a nice monitor to test it out on.
P.S. The Dell is an H-IPS. P-IPS or 'professional IPS' is used on some pretty high end NEC monitors. Don't get hung up on the difference a letter makes though.
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Yeah, from pure specs, it's probably closer to the ZR24w, but the article states it's going to sell for around $500 which is the price of the U2410 in the US. The ZR24w seems to retail for about $400.
Given that the monitor is aimed squarely at graphics professionals, the input lag or ghosting (even though ASUS claim it's 6ms) might actually be quite bad. Still, for those who won't play games it might be worth a look, particularly given that is has DisplayPort and HDMI.
I'd be interested in a review of that NEC too. I'm mainly interested in how much "better" the LED backlighting is since it's a direct successor to the EA231WMi. Ideally, I'd like to see a direct side by side comparison, but that's just wishful thinking
Good to see you using/including colorimeter results in your future reviews. A lot of people purely look out for those measured results and disregard any accompanied written text as they want something quantifiable that they can use to compare to other monitors, so it will please them I'm sure.
I suppose I should add at this point that I don't intend to make 'full use' of it, so to speak. The reporting features are not really appropriate for the level of review from a professional perspective and are perhaps misplaced for the intended perspective. Maybe it's born partly from stubbornness but it seems a lot of people appreciate the subjective slant of the reviews on our website and this is more appropriate when considering the monitor as an entertainment tool rather than professional tool. Coupled with poor support for ICC profiles and the like in games and their tendency to use their own settings for gamma etc. it isn't currently a good option for this type of review. With this particular monitor (NEC EA231WMi) it may not be such an issue but for TN panels and a lesser extent PVA panels the colorimeter calibrating the central region of the screen and basing reports on that only is also a bit of a limitation.
What we do intend to do, however, is use it to add some analysis on aspects such as luminance uniformity across the screen and a visual comparative reference of colour gamut. It is also very useful for setting the colour balance via the OSD (which of course won't be overridden by any application). Whilst it would also be nice to throw in the usual Delta E values and there are some issues there. There are of course the aforementioned limitations, but also the problem of limited reporting features (i.e. Delta E only given after ICC profile creation which isn't representitive of gaming/movies or what people can expect to achieve without a colorimeter). There are plenty of other sources for such information. TFT Central is the best one that springs to mind and since they have used the EA231WMi, as well, I would certainly wait on a possibility of review from them for a proper comparison.
I hope this makes a little bit of sense. It probably wasn't articulated very well
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Edit: I suppose a post-calibration Delta E value can't hurt for inclusion in the calibration section. I would have to OK it with our dedicated colour wizard boffin (Chris) and will have to explain the limitations on a case-by case basis in the review. I would be more comfortable if I could give a dE for adjustments purely at the OSD level as I feel this is more appropriate. If somebody with more experience of the Spyder3 Elite Version 4 software knows how to do this or you know of alternative software to do this please let me know. Maybe our colour wizard knows.
Edit 2: I've played around a bit and have worked out how to get Delta E values without the ICC profile in play. Tested on the XL24 which I recorded the Delta E for recently from a LaCie probe. Value recorded by the Spyder was identical. Much better - adding this shouldn't be a problem. Sorry for the above waffle.
P.S. Sorry for derailing the thread!
What we do intend to do, however, is use it to add some analysis on aspects such as luminance uniformity across the screen and a visual comparative reference of colour gamut. It is also very useful for setting the colour balance via the OSD (which of course won't be overridden by any application). Whilst it would also be nice to throw in the usual Delta E values and there are some issues there. There are of course the aforementioned limitations, but also the problem of limited reporting features (i.e. Delta E only given after ICC profile creation which isn't representitive of gaming/movies or what people can expect to achieve without a colorimeter). There are plenty of other sources for such information. TFT Central is the best one that springs to mind and since they have used the EA231WMi, as well, I would certainly wait on a possibility of review from them for a proper comparison
.I hope this makes a little bit of sense. It probably wasn't articulated very well
.Edit: I suppose a post-calibration Delta E value can't hurt for inclusion in the calibration section. I would have to OK it with our dedicated colour wizard boffin (Chris) and will have to explain the limitations on a case-by case basis in the review. I would be more comfortable if I could give a dE for adjustments purely at the OSD level as I feel this is more appropriate. If somebody with more experience of the Spyder3 Elite Version 4 software knows how to do this or you know of alternative software to do this please let me know. Maybe our colour wizard knows.
Edit 2: I've played around a bit and have worked out how to get Delta E values without the ICC profile in play. Tested on the XL24 which I recorded the Delta E for recently from a LaCie probe. Value recorded by the Spyder was identical. Much better - adding this shouldn't be a problem. Sorry for the above waffle.
P.S. Sorry for derailing the thread!
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No, it makes perfect sense.I hope this makes a little bit of sense. It probably wasn't articulated very well
With monitors, as you are well aware, there's a lot of subjectivity involved. So even with a perfectly calibrated monitor with low Delta E values etc, some may find the image too bland or undersaturated. I know a lot of TVs for example are oversaturated, but it does give the image a little bit more vibrancy and pop, which a lot of people prefer.
I should have the EA232WMi very soon, just waiting for them to arrive in the UK
Not looked into the Fujitsu yet but might well check them out It's the same technology, they are all IPS matrices using the modern vertical alignment of pixels (which is where the H-IPS naming scheme originated as a development of S-IPS). The "p-IPS" name was introduced by NEC as a way to distinguish their new PA series screens which used H-IPS panels, with 8-bit+AFRC (10-bit support) panels. Thats the only real difference, so dont get too bogged down with a naming scheme
you'd certainly expect some sacrifices to reach the low price. Build quality etc could be an issue too perhaps?
I'd be interested in a review of that NEC too. I'm mainly interested in how much "better" the LED backlighting is since it's a direct successor to the EA231WMi. Ideally, I'd like to see a direct side by side comparison, but that's just wishful thinking
I will certainly make comparisons when we do the EA232WMi review and i might even try and get the EA231WMi to do at the same time side by side if you're lucky