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Quick Sandybridge chipset Qs

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So there's 2 chipsets as far as I can tell, the P67 and H67. One of them supports the integrated gpu and the other doesn't. Is that the only difference?

If the H67 supports the GPU, and has extra circuitry and external display ports when the P67 doesn't, why is it cheaper?

When you have a motherboard that doesn't support the inbuilt GPU, will this part of the CPU just sit there unused?

Ive also heard both chipsets are poor at overclocking and Intel will bring out the z68 chipset in Q2 that will be better for this task. With that in mind, wouldn't it be better to wait before upgrading.
 
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P67 allows far better overclocking, whereas H67 is very limited.

So I understand.

And I wouldn't say the P67 is exactly a bad overclocking chipset, as there's already people pushing 5GHz stable.
 
Maybe have a read of that.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...p67-h67-motherboards-review-introduction.html

Someone made a quick pro and cons list here regarding the differences in the chipsets, seems to add up to me.

H67:
Pro - I can use QuickSync
Pro - I can save money by not buying a discrete GPU
Pro - H67 mobo cheaper
Con - No overclocking beyond the limited Turbo overclock which could take the 2600 to 4.3max I believe (I'M NOT TOO SURE THAT IS RIGHT)
Con - more limited selection of ATX mobos.
Con - memory spd limited to 1333

P67:
Pro - I can OC to heart's content
Pro - can run my 1600 memory at 1600
Con - will spend $50-75 for a lower to midlevel GPU
Con - P67 mobo more expensive
Pro - more choices of mobo
 
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Or just wait for Z68. Will probably cost a bit more but then you won't need to buy a GPU (unless you're a gamer), CPU prices will have dropped a bit by then and also you'll get the huge benefit of QuickSync.

Z68 + i7 + IGP seems absolutely perfect for video encoding. Even an 8-core Bulldozer probably wouldn't be able to beat that since AFAIK they don't have any alternative to QuickSync.

Could be wrong, usually am but for the max you'd get from the chip boosting itself was 3.9 ?
On an H67 motherboard, there's no overclocking at all. However, if you run a non-K CPU on a P67 motherboard you can bump up each Turbo Boost level by 4 so you can reach 4.2/4.1/4.0/3.9 GHz on 1/2/3/4 cores, rather than the normal 3.8/3.7/3.6/3.5 GHz on 1/2/3/4 cores (using a 3.4 GHz base for this example, like you get with the i7-2600).
 
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Really don't even think about the Z68 boards. It's that sort of thinking that means you never upgrade at all... There's always going to be something bigger and better a few months round the corner.
 
It's that sort of thinking that means you never upgrade at all...

Not strictly true, I like to plan my upgrades in advance, doesn't mean that I never upgrade. Plenty of people were thinking "I'll wait a few months for Sandy Bridge" and now they've upgraded... Surely proof enough that planning upgrades based on what's coming out soon isn't always a bad idea?
 
I agree Redmint that you have to have some sort of an eye on what's coming out soon. Upgrading just before Christmas, for example, would have been madness. There's a world of difference between that and sitting here when p67's just launched and trying to decide whether to wait though. By the time z68 comes out AMD's Llano will be just around the corner. I'm not saying Llano will be better, but another argument could be made to wait for proper reviews of it to come out before upgrading. This cold continue ad infinitum.
 
There's a world of difference between that and sitting here when p67's just launched and trying to decide whether to wait though. By the time z68 comes out AMD's Llano will be just around the corner.

Maybe, maybe not. If you want Sandy Bridge but you prefer the sounds of the features that Z68 offers then it makes good sense to wait. The price of the chips might have dropped slightly by then after the initial 'early adopter' rush has died down.
 
I take it there's yet another chipset due then, a z68, which offers overclocking and an igp. Glad i stumbled into this thread, it's removed any desire to buy a h67 or p67 system. Cheers
 
I agree Redmint that you have to have some sort of an eye on what's coming out soon. Upgrading just before Christmas, for example, would have been madness. There's a world of difference between that and sitting here when p67's just launched and trying to decide whether to wait though. By the time z68 comes out AMD's Llano will be just around the corner. I'm not saying Llano will be better, but another argument could be made to wait for proper reviews of it to come out before upgrading. This cold continue ad infinitum.

Meh, Llano shouldn't really be in the same class as Sandy bridge, better IGP no doubt, worse CPU no doubt, though depending on just how many changes there are to the cpu it might be better than people think.

Here's the problem though if you want an overclocked Sandybridge you have one mobo option and it disables the IGP, and quicksync which is by FAR the most important improvement in Sandybridge, quicksync is by FAR the biggest performance improvement in Sandybridge and you simply will not get it with any currently available P67 board.

The p67 board it turns off the best advantages, and has you paying for silicon you can't use, waiting for a mobo that doesn't waste the chip isn't a small issue.

Anyway by all accounts Bulldozer is out before Llano by quite a few months, and Z68 chipset might not be far before Bulldozer at all and that is most certainly worth waiting for before upgrading.

If you can get a 8 core bulldozer, with a cheaper mobo, that allows full overclocking that is marginally slower per core but has 100% more cores, Bulldozer could entirely wipe the floor with the current Sandybridge.

Its surprising the overclocking you're allowed to do on H67, but its severely limited in that it only works with Turbo still so you can't actively have a 4.2Ghz core all the time, if you're using a game loading 4 cores you'll have significantly less than that.

I really have no clue why Intel have done it to themselves. Also supply looks very poor for an Intel launch as their production capacity is just silly.

It actually, marginally reads to me that they brought forward Sandybridge because they don't have a hope in hell of beating a 8 core Bulldozer, and they just couldn't get the main chipset done in time, which again suggests the potential for a good reason to wait.

Lastly, afaik end of the year we'll be seeing 6-8 core i7 Sandy's, not 12 cores. At a guess we'll see 12 cores when 22nm is available and they'll be Ivy bridges, and they should be quite ridiculous chips by then. Though I believe they'll be fighting 16 core Bulldozers by then aswell.
 
Does anyone know what the deal is with Quick Sync on a P67 mobo? I realise these boards don't support use of the on die GPU for video purposes but the CPU would obviously still be able to access the GPU's circuitry so will Quick Sync functionality still be available to apps that support it or do you have to have an H67 mobo and actually be using the on die GPU?
 
Not strictly true, I like to plan my upgrades in advance, doesn't mean that I never upgrade. Plenty of people were thinking "I'll wait a few months for Sandy Bridge" and now they've upgraded... Surely proof enough that planning upgrades based on what's coming out soon isn't always a bad idea?

Indeed. I was thinking of upgrading a few months back, but when I read about Sandy Bridge I decided to wait to see if it was a better bet than buying a i7 760 and trying to push that to around 4Ghz. Instead, I now have a i5 2500k at 4.6Ghz and I am dead chuffed.

As for the OP, I would wait it out for Z67. If you do not game at all and want a good encoding machine, I would buy a Z67 board, the i5 2500k, overclock it to hell and use the QuickSync to really turbo boost your encodes.

Does anyone know what the deal is with Quick Sync on a P67 mobo? I realise these boards don't support use of the on die GPU for video purposes but the CPU would obviously still be able to access the GPU's circuitry so will Quick Sync functionality still be available to apps that support it or do you have to have an H67 mobo and actually be using the on die GPU?
If I am honest I fully expect at least one Motherboard maker to come out with a BIOS/UEFI that attempts to turn QuickSync back on, but we'll have to see. I can't see why it wouldn't work, but I do not know how the chipset plays a part in the GPU side of the Sandy Bridge architecture.
 
Good question from Vertigo1.
I really don't like the idea of a part of the CPU laying idle depending on what mobo you buy.
And good feedback in the thread, thnx men.
 
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