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So get a few ministers from sweden or germany and our country will change? Lol. The government isn't the problem, it's not the solution but it's not the root cause of all of the UK's problems either.
 
Maybe there are other countries and governments doing better but I can't think of one that I'd choose to replace the current lot, not because I think we are without problems here but because I don't believe that any wholesale replacement will do any better. We can learn from other countries, sure, but to presume that they are without significant problems of their own would be somewhat naive.
 
Probably Singapore. Nice and clean. Death penalty retained with efficient and non-corrupt judiciary. Very high standards of education and even higher standard of living. They're doing something right.

But its a city state, very very different to run.

It is effectively a big city council. Imagine London on its own with the budget of a small country to run itself..
 
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Probably Singapore. Nice and clean. Death penalty retained with efficient and non-corrupt judiciary. Very high standards of education and even higher standard of living. They're doing something right.

They are doing something right. They have 21 ministers, 7 are scientists, 7 are engineers and the 7 left are the usual lawyers, public speakers blah blah.

I think ther UK government would benefit having more engineers and scientists in the higher levels. How can a guy who has a politics and philosophy degree possibly be the UK's minister for climate change? It makes no sense. Scientists and engineers could themselves provide and implement the solutions and understand the technology along the way. It baffles me!
 
I think ther UK government would benefit having more engineers and scientists in the higher levels. How can a guy who has a politics and philosophy degree possibly be the UK's minister for climate change? It makes no sense. Scientists and engineers could themselves provide and implement the solutions and understand the technology along the way. It baffles me!

You don't necessarily have to have detailed knowledge of something at the outset to be a good minister for it, there's a lot of transferrable skills in such things based on the way you approach it. Essentially a minister will be taking the ultimate decision but they should be listening to their civil servants who will have compiled briefings/reports around the topic.

Or to put it another way if you make job roles too specific then you significantly limit the number of possible people for a given role in government as most people won't have an indepth enough knowledge of multiple topics to meet the criteria for certain roles i.e. you have the relevant qualifications and either come into the job at just the right moment to be minister for education or you're told to come back later when the job role has become available again (retirement/resignation/whatever). While it might be nice to have people qualified in a particular specialist subject just waiting around for their chance to be minister for that particular area it's unrealistic - they have to be able to do a more general job and able to assimilate information on topics they are unfamiliar with.
 
I will at least give the ConDem lot the benefit of the doubt.

Offtopic, but it's somewhat hilarious that the news keep going on about this massive swing back to Labour in the Oldham by-election, as though it's some great bloody nose for the coalition.

Yes, Oldham, that former Labour stronghold has, incredibly, gone back to Labour. Fancy that. Anyone think that maybe the unusual election was the one in which the Lib Dem got in, rather than this one?
 
Having lived in HK since September, when my work visa is over I am coming back ASAP. You seriously have no idea how much UK is better then the rest of the world, and this was a colony up until 10 years ago... Oh and to the guy who said China... "Oh dear..."
 
Having lived in HK since September, when my work visa is over I am coming back ASAP. You seriously have no idea how much UK is better then the rest of the world, and this was a colony up until 10 years ago... Oh and to the guy who said China... "Oh dear..."

Please expand, why is the UK better than Hong Kong? For the record I sort of agree with you, there aren't many places I've been on holiday to and thought this is the sort of place I'd like to leave the UK for.
 
Offtopic, but it's somewhat hilarious that the news keep going on about this massive swing back to Labour in the Oldham by-election, as though it's some great bloody nose for the coalition.

Yes, Oldham, that former Labour stronghold has, incredibly, gone back to Labour. Fancy that. Anyone think that maybe the unusual election was the one in which the Lib Dem got in, rather than this one?

I was thinking similarly too.

I am still waiting for Ed to come up with some credible policies to tackle the UK defecit and generally awful state of the economy, something he seemed happy to look the other way from when a government minister.

I talk about this and some may think I am a Tory boy which is not the case. I live and work in the north east of England which has traditionally been left to rot under a Conservative administration.
 
I was thinking similarly too.

I am still waiting for Ed to come up with some credible policies to tackle the UK defecit and generally awful state of the economy, something he seemed happy to look the other way from when a government minister.
Are you kidding? He's leader of the opposition, and the chances are, won't see an election for the best part of four and a half years... Remind me what David Cameron's economic policies were in 2005/6. :p
 
I was thinking similarly too.

I am still waiting for Ed to come up with some credible policies to tackle the UK defecit and generally awful state of the economy, something he seemed happy to look the other way from when a government minister.

I talk about this and some may think I am a Tory boy which is not the case. I live and work in the north east of England which has traditionally been left to rot under a Conservative administration.

All Ed has to do is be there, and say as little as possible about their own policies, while keeping everybody thinking about cuts.

When the coalition was formed I thought that there was a glint of hope that the old politics was going to die, and we'd see a new politics. One where it was about getting the right thing done, rather than getting into power and staying there.

Sadly I was wrong.

Conservatives have been singing to the choir. The Liberal Democrats have come across as devoid of any substance at all - telegraph interviews were damning. And Labour are back to mud slinging.
 
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