Education & faith

AcidHell2 said:
Hay more rubbish, which faith schools does that happen at? Inciting racial hate as well as other laws, these are allready banned.
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Yeah these things are banned but different rules apply with certain faiths. Imagine if the government said "hey you can't teach these things in your holy book" I expect mass riots, suicide bombings ect.

What angers me is that so many continue to bury their heads in the sand.
 
So because people break the law you want to ban the entire thing, shall we apply that to the rest of society.

Parts of government do want to change the curicullum to include things like homosexualty.
 
AcidHell2 said:
It wasn't an argument, i asked if you had the report so i could read it, you refrence is to an article based on quotes.
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Its a very long article using references on the very subject, what more do you want, I don't have periodical access to everything ever written. Jesus your never happy, or just don't like being wrong. ;)
 
I think there are two areas for objection:

i) Should we be promoting religious division and using the educational system to coerce children into a specific religion? I think we shouldn't.

ii) Should we be forcing people to pay for promoting religions they don't follow, by funding faith schools from public money? I think we shouldn't.

I think we should have religion in churches/mosques/synagogues/temples/sacred groves/etc and education in schools.
 
The refrences or at least the one on Bradford fights does not linked to anything, well som strange site explaining what the economist is, it was a simple question.


I've admitted I've been wrong lots of times on here, everyone can learn new things. But it's not alloy asking for original reports rather than selective quotes.
 
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Darkstaruk said:
Teaching kids to stone homosexuals and kill Jews is acceptable to our ******* governments. Face it our politicians are cowards who will bend over backwards to appease this intolerant religion.


The thing is this is happening all over Europe, immigration is basically territorial
war without all the killing. As demographics change I think civil war might actually happen.
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This isn't an anti-Islam thread. Go back to your hole.


Angilion said:
I think there are two areas for objection:

i) Should we be promoting religious division and using the educational system to coerce children into a specific religion? I think we shouldn't.

ii) Should we be forcing people to pay for promoting religions they don't follow, by funding faith schools from public money? I think we shouldn't.

I think we should have religion in churches/mosques/synagogues/temples/sacred groves/etc and education in schools.
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Easier said than done. All it requires is a building next to the school (but separate from the school) and this separation exists superficially.

i) coerced or choice? don't parents get to decide?
ii) the government isn't funding the promotion of religion, as much as it funds Christianity by allowing Christian Unions operate in schools.
 
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Still haven't found the actual report but found more about it. Segragation is increasing in all school. Not just faith, it's critical of faith schools but also otherareas, especially language barrier. It's recommendations are to increase catchment area as some areas are so dominate, more language education to parents and to ensure kids starting school have good language skills, increase discaplin, reduce term time hollidays especially in Asian parents, reform history pedals to provide sense of bellonging, gaining of different schools and more ethnic teachers.

Hardly faith school specific or a reason to ban them.
 
The Halk said:
Personally I believe that no religion should be forced down childrens necks when they are young.

That includes dictionary correct atheism. Believing there is no god or higher being is a position of faith.

Kids should be treated as agnostics and not told any religion is true - or false - and should be left to come to their own conclusions.
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While I can certianly see the appeal, certainly when I am agnostic myself, surely it is up to the parents what value system they teach their children? Why single out religion when there are many other things we, as parents, decide to teach our kids?
 
ghost101 said:
This isn't an anti-Islam thread. Go back to your hole.




Easier said than done. All it requires is a building next to the school (but separate from the school) and this separation exists superficially.

i) coerced or choice? don't parents get to decide?
ii) the government isn't funding the promotion of religion, as much as it funds Christianity by allowing Christian Unions operate in schools.
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Sorry I believe in gays being able to live in peace
I believe Jews and Muslims could have lived together peacefully but they can't because someone's religion tells them not to.
Being anti-Islam is like being anti-nazi and the sooner people realise this the better.
 
Darkstaruk said:
I believe Jews and Muslims could have lived together peacefully but they can't because someone's religion tells them not to.
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Are you thinking of the ongoing Middle East conflict? The Jews were kicked out of Jerusalem long ago, then after the second world war, we instituted the state of Israel right on top of Palestine, because we felt they needed somewhere safe after the persecution they'd suffered. We imposed them on Islam. If it's anyone's fault it's ours because we tried to play the noble hero.

Darkstaruk said:
Being anti-Islam is like being anti-nazi and the sooner people realise this the better.
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LAWL GODWIN.
 
If only schools did teach facts, but they dont they also teach a range of social subjects RE happens to be one of them.

If you dont like it you can opt your children out of it, so tbe choice is yours as a Parent.
 
Faith schools increase segregation, indoctrinate and offer no advantage over other schools. We should abolish them asap.
 
steve-h said:
dailymail, didn't read.
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Burnsy2023 said:
Indeed. I refuse to get worked up about something that is most probably inaccurate and shoddy DM journalism.
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A gang of four Muslim men launched a horrific attack on an RE teacher because they did not approve of him teaching religious studies to Muslim girls, a court heard yesterday.

Gary Smith, 28, was left with facial scarring, both long and short-term memory loss, and now has no sense of smell.
He became depressed after his face was slashed and he suffered a brain haemorrhage, fractured skull and broken jaw following the attack.
 
dave_beast said:
A gang of four Muslim men launched a horrific attack on an RE teacher because they did not approve of him teaching religious studies to Muslim girls, a court heard yesterday.

Gary Smith, 28, was left with facial scarring, both long and short-term memory loss, and now has no sense of smell.
He became depressed after his face was slashed and he suffered a brain haemorrhage, fractured skull and broken jaw following the attack.
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Your point?
 
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