Vapochill LS...stock???

SlowPWNY · 19 Jan 2011 at 14:19

so a couple years ago i picked up a vapochill ls off ebay. i got,tested it, and seemed fine and normal. To be tottaly honest i was scared of it :rolleyes:

and didint use it until this week. i have heard everyone say that a Q6600 is about the max that a vapo will take in stock form and that my temps would prolly go over 0c and slightly into the positives. Well i mounted it using kneadable eraser,plexiglass and all threads. i got a air tight seal and got the head mount damn near center. upon clocking my q6600 up to 3.8 i have noticed that my evap temp hangs at -51/-52 at idle and under a full prime load only goes up to -41. I know there is a dif between core temp and evap temp but i still cant imagine the core being that far from the evap...????? my moth will only read temps down to 9c, im mounting a temp prob from my multimeter tonight to try and get a reading off the cpu.

i looked inside and there is a sticker on the compressor that says it has R404A in it(thought they had r134). Also from the pics i have seen from the other units my compressor looks bigger? the condesor and the fans seem normal(panaflows).

I will post some pics tonight(at work currently). Could anyone tell me if there was any factory trim of these vapos that could hold these temps on a q6600, it dosent even seem like its breaking a sweat.

maybe i got lucky?

Cold_And_Miserable · 19 Jan 2011 at 18:03

The CPU used to be 20-30 degrees higher than the evapourator temperature when I used a stock one years ago.
The stock gas is R507 so yours is modified. Stock is rated for 200W and definitely isn't enough for Q6600.

If you keep using it eventually your motherboard pins will go blue, corrode and die. Asetek ceased production after socket 775. Current sockets/motherboards are incompatible with phase change cooling.

SlowPWNY · 19 Jan 2011 at 18:09

turn blue or corrode??? is this from sweating? i filled the socket with dielectric greese. i have never heard of pins tarishing other than poor insulation and causing sweat. does anyone know what compressors came stock so that i may compare the model numbers to mine.

kitfit1 · 19 Jan 2011 at 18:21

PanMaster said:
If you keep using it eventually your motherboard pins will go blue, corrode and die. Asetek ceased production after socket 775. Current sockets/motherboards are incompatible with phase change cooling.

Do you know what PanMaster ? sometimes when one reads threads people just give misunderstood advice. Other times it's just ill conceived advice.
On this occasion, it's BAD, UNTRUE and plainly comes from someone that has never used phase and knows nothing about it.

I've been running phase for over 10 years and never had or heard of pins going blue. Corrosion of pins only happened with AMD sockets if you didn't fill it with dielectric grease. And lastly, there are thousands of us worldwide running phase, LN2 and Dice on a daily basis on X58's, 775's and any and all other number of sockets and chipsets.

So please, at least research your answer rather than coming up with untre drivel.

Cold_And_Miserable · 19 Jan 2011 at 18:46

kitfit1 said:
Corrosion of pins only happened with AMD sockets if you didn't fill it with dielectric grease. And lastly, there are thousands of us worldwide running phase, LN2 and Dice on a daily basis on X58's, 775's and any and all other number of sockets and chipsets.

So please, at least research your answer rather than coming up with untre drivel.

Yes it was an AMD socket and it had been on the LS from 2005-2007. It died after 3 years and the pins on the back of the motherboard had gone blue with oxidation. The LS is behind me covered with dust.

You are wrong about Asetek though. They officially stated socket 1136 and onwards were no longer compatible i.e. too many components around the socket for effective insulation.

kitfit1 · 19 Jan 2011 at 19:07

PanMaster said:
Yes it was an AMD socket and it had been on the LS from 2005-2007. It died after 3 years and the pins on the back of the motherboard had gone blue with oxidation. The LS is behind me covered with dust.

If you had filled the socket with dielectric grease or even vasseline, then it could not have happened. Also if the back of the mobo had been coated with conformal coating (as is the norm under sub zero), it would not have happened.
Because we that use sub zero take these precautions, the things that you describe do not happen.

PanMaster said:
You are wrong about Asetek though. They officially stated socket 1136 and onwards were no longer compatible i.e. too many components around the socket for effective insulation.

As Asetek stoped making the Vapochill years before 1136 was even released, i fail to see any relevance in the statement. The evap head on the vapo is captive, so of course it cant be used on a 1136. But the rest of use universal evap heads, so it's no problem at all fitting to ANY mobo.
To use a vapo nowdays on a 1136 mobo, just requires a change of evap or even a new lineset and evap.

Edit: a look at the links in my sig will show you how wrong you are.

SlowPWNY · 19 Jan 2011 at 19:23

Those oc's in your sig are sick! as far as mounting the vapos on mondern board it can be done. I used the kneadable eraser inwhich you can conform to pretty much anything. the mounting heads on them are a bit big and the one i have doesnt support a 775 but with a little triming to clear some caps and a mosfet it fits fine. the eraser makes a nice TIGHT seal, slap some armaflex neoprene on the back with a lil dielectric greese under it and its all good!

If there is a will there is a way. about anthing is possible with some imagination. Hell i have a cpu water block that im mounting on my gpu tonight

Durzel · 19 Jan 2011 at 20:05

Running modded Vapochill LS for over 4 years on the same motherboard without socket damage crew checking in.

SlowPWNY · 20 Jan 2011 at 12:58

Durzel what do you have your vcore set at to hit 4.3? fsb settings ect? i was just wondering i know yours is a dual core but i might disable 2 cores just to see what i can get. my rig is apart ATM i left my phase change on overnight without the puter on

. father winter came to visit my board but seems to be ok. i just got a 190 cfm 120 delta that will be going on the condenser so im gonna try again for 4.0.
i also just got artic Céramique, is there much of a dif that AS5 with phase change cooling?

kitfit1 · 20 Jan 2011 at 16:58

SlowPWNY said:
i also just got artic Céramique, is there much of a dif that AS5 with phase change cooling?

Arctic Ceramique is just about the only tim you should be using under phase.
AS5 and most other tim's go hard at anything below -20c. Ceramique on the other had is good for -60c.

Durzel · 24 Jan 2011 at 19:46

SlowPWNY said:
Durzel what do you have your vcore set at to hit 4.3? fsb settings ect? i was just wondering i know yours is a dual core but i might disable 2 cores just to see what i can get. my rig is apart ATM i left my phase change on overnight without the puter on . father winter came to visit my board but seems to be ok. i just got a 190 cfm 120 delta that will be going on the condenser so im gonna try again for 4.0.
i also just got artic Céramique, is there much of a dif that AS5 with phase change cooling?

It doesn't do 4.3Ghz anymore to be honest, at least not at voltages I'd be comfortable with. I run it at 4Ghz @ 1.5v for everyday usage.

Also as said above you need Ceramique for phase-change, AS5 will freeze.

SlowPWNY · 27 Jan 2011 at 12:40

so the vapo is def not stock....i got a temp probe wedged inbetween the IHS and the socket door. under full load it reads -22c and the evap reads like -42, this is at [email protected]. i cant seem to get it any higher, i was messing with it for a couple hours last night trying ALL kinds of ram settings. i could get it into the o.s. at 4.05 but it would just hang forever like it was loading on the desktop.

i guess i wont get the magical 4 :mad:

Oh and i got the ceramique on there it seems to have helped out. i didint have a probe on it with the as5 but i can tell by how fast the evap temp responds to cpu load and that the idle and load temps are a hair warmer than they were......nasty stuff tho, thick as frozen molasses.

buttkinz · 27 Jan 2011 at 13:59

maybe worth trying a different q6600 if you can, i had one that would run prime for hours at 4ghz under water. what motherboard are you running it on?

makes me want to get my old vapochill out of the cellar lol

SlowPWNY · 27 Jan 2011 at 14:53

i think it might be my ram or the board. i have heard the 750i boards are not the best for overclocking super high. i have another q6600 with little to no use on it. i was thinking about giving it a try but its just alota time and effort to pull all the kneadable earaser and insualtion to change out the cpu. when i get some time this weekend i might give it a try. i wanted to sell off both my q6600s and buy a q9650 and try for like 4.5 or 5 ghz but i dont think this board will do it.

board is in my sig

buttkinz · 27 Jan 2011 at 15:09

ahh, nvidia are known to not overclock very well, i was using a p45 board (p5q pro) which was stellar in overclocking a few quads

SlowPWNY · 27 Jan 2011 at 15:44

I REALLY REALLY want a sandy bridge

but im going to try my best to hold out for ivy bridge next year. although i can see a vid card swap coming soon :rolleyes:

my [email protected] should be enough for anygames i throw at it this year.

buttkinz · 27 Jan 2011 at 17:11

yup, id love another q6600 to play with, my last p5pro board fizzled a death from using one of the older vapochill PE chillers, didn't insulate well enough and had to make brackets myself because of its age. somehow left it on overnight and it was dead in the morning

SlowPWNY · 27 Jan 2011 at 19:00

http://s1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb429/slow5pointoh/ link to pics of how i mounted mine. the clamshell i got didint support lga 775. i have yet to get any sweat or frost other than when i left the phase change on overnight with the pc off

. it got some frost on the insulation a lil on the clamshell and some frost on a few parts around the eraser puddy. im going to make a new top plate this weekend as the current one puts the evap a little off center.

that kneadable eraser is the ****! i also used dielectric grease in the socket and a small layer on the neoprene on the backside. i also was able to use the springs that came with the vapochill on my all threads. the broad and stiff backplate with the neoprene gives me a lot of surface area allowing me to put some hefty clamping pressure down on the cpu.

once i figure out which of my q6600 i want to use im going to lap it. does lapping really help out phase change cooling all that much?

kitfit1 · 28 Jan 2011 at 07:56

Lapping can make a difference if you are under air or water cooling.
But under phase it will make no difference at all. If you could get the IHS off of the cpu, that defo does make a difference.
One little tip when applying Ceramique, heat the evap head with a hair drier. Then apply the Ceramique to the evap head, not the cpu. It will spread nicely and you will use less of it.