Would you baptise your child - school

Morba · 21 Jan 2011 at 14:20

Dolph said:
You can always go for an interesting talking point that is also a christening...

My wife, for example, was christened onboard HMS Repulse using the ship's bell as a font, and her name was the first name engraved on the new bell following refit as a result

Wow, thats quite an honour surely?
You still work for orange down there in plymouth (random question!)?

bazaarboy · 21 Jan 2011 at 14:36

kgi said:
Would the OP do the same if the best schools were, say, Muslim faith schools instead of Catholic? Would he convert his child to a Muslim in order to attend those schools with the same style as he is thinking to baptise it?

good point but most people would worry about the possibility of indoctrination and extremism down the islam path, and less down the christianity path

I would say don't compromise your ideals - your kid looks at you as a role model, and you should stick to your beliefs - there's always other schools

Col_M · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:23

How do you prove that you're baptised? can you not just lie? You could say you had it done in Italy or somewhere when on holiday and can't remember the church.

The Halk · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:24

It's the Church of England, they keep records.

steve-h · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:28

izzy eckerslike · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:44

I wonder why ' all faiths should be included in RE' doesn't include atheism?
Why can't a teacher in assembly ever say ' by the way children, there is no proof that god exists and that all we have ever taught you about religion may in fact be based on Mythology and folklore' ?

Dolph · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:47

izzy eckerslike said:
I wonder why ' all faiths should be included in RE' doesn't include atheism?
Why can't a teacher in assembly ever say ' by the way children, there is no proof that god exists and that all we have ever taught you about region may in fact be based on Mythology and folklore' ?

Because that's not atheism, but an acknowledgement of practical agnosticism the way you have phrased it?

Teaching atheism would be acknowledging that some people believe that no god exists, based on either personal feeling or a lack of concrete evidence for it and the application of assumption.

Dolph · 21 Jan 2011 at 15:48

Morba said:
Wow, thats quite an honour surely?
You still work for orange down there in plymouth (random question!)?

She was offered the bell when it was decommissioned, but chose to donate it to a museum instead.

Castiel · 21 Jan 2011 at 16:30

izzy eckerslike said:
I wonder why ' all faiths should be included in RE' doesn't include atheism?
Why can't a teacher in assembly ever say ' by the way children, there is no proof that god exists and that all we have ever taught you about religion may in fact be based on Mythology and folklore' ?

It does, RE curriculum's should include Atheism as a valid belief structure since about 2007 I think.

markweatherill · 21 Jan 2011 at 16:36

vonhelmet said:
I imagine that the Muslim schools would be stricter about checking these things.

There's a thought. Put him in an Islamic faith school and he won't have to be baptised.

jp_bl_68 · 21 Jan 2011 at 16:43

Castiel said:
It does, RE curriculum's should include Atheism as a valid belief structure since about 2007 I think.

Lesson 1: Atheists believe there is no god/God.
Lesson 2: See Lesson 1.

TFleming · 21 Jan 2011 at 16:45

I wouldn't support religion in any way myself as I have strong views on it. Depends how strong your views are toward it I guess. How this is still acceptable I have no idea. Society is all for no discrimination, yet it seems to be morally acceptable if religion is involved? Makes about as much sense as religion itself.

scorza · 21 Jan 2011 at 16:58

Col_M said:
How do you prove that you're baptised? can you not just lie? You could say you had it done in Italy or somewhere when on holiday and can't remember the church.

You can't just turn up at a Church and get your child baptised. You won't normally be able to get it done on holiday, plus I can't imagine that there are too many CofE Churches in Italy. Some schools will question parents on their faith in an interview because so many people lie to try and get in.

It's amazing how so many people are dead set against indoctrinating their children against the perils of religion at school but think nothing about lying to gain an advantage in front of them.

Strife212 · 21 Jan 2011 at 17:00

Sp00n said:
I don't think forcing your child in to a catholic school is very balanced, personally.

It's a Church of England School, it has nothing to do with the Catholic Church :/

jp_bl_68 · 21 Jan 2011 at 17:08

TFleming said:
Society is all for no discrimination, yet it seems to be morally acceptable if religion is involved?

Didn't you know? If you claim to worship a cloud dwelling magician you no longer have to follow the same rules as the rest of us.

Vonhelmet · 21 Jan 2011 at 17:12

scorza said:
You can't just turn up at a Church and get your child bqptised.

Our church won't baptise a child until you've been to some baptism classes and have brought your child along for a thanksgiving.

scorza said:
Some schools will question parents on their faith in an interview because so many people lie to try and get in.

As I said earlier, some schools will want a form filled out and signed by the vicar to confirm your attendance. The school my girl is at either wanted to know you regularly attended the sponsor church, or wanted proof you attended another church regularly.

Darkstaruk · 21 Jan 2011 at 17:16

markweatherill said:
There's a thought. Put him in an Islamic faith school and he won't have to be baptised.

No instead he'll sit on the floor reading the Koran all day.

izzy eckerslike · 21 Jan 2011 at 17:22

TFleming said:
I wouldn't support religion in any way myself as I have strong views on it. Depends how strong your views are toward it I guess. How this is still acceptable I have no idea. Society is all for no discrimination, yet it seems to be morally acceptable if religion is involved? Makes about as much sense as religion itself.

It's the only way religion keeps a hold on society,it always was and I don't care how they choose to deny it but Christianity is on the wane in this country, empty churches turned into auction houses, dwellings or temples of other faiths are everywhere. Our local parish church dating back hundreds of years now has a congregation of just 15 regulars. Where vicars would refuse to marry anyone not a regular church goer no longer applies as they are only interested in getting some money in.

It goes on in Parliament every day and I can't believe for one minute that a large majority would not prefer it stopped.

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Sittings in both Houses begin with prayers. These follow the Christian faith and there is currently no multi-faith element. Attendance is voluntary. The practice of prayers is believed to have started in about 1558, and was common practice by 1567. The present form of prayers probably dates from the reign of Charles II. Members of the public are not allowed into the public galleries during prayers.

.Ox. · 21 Jan 2011 at 18:55

my mam had to get me baptised for this reason.
was a right ball ache for her to get me into my school.

BunnyKillBot · 21 Jan 2011 at 19:34

izzy eckerslike said:
It's the only way religion keeps a hold on society,it always was and I don't care how they choose to deny it but Christianity is on the wane in this country, empty churches turned into auction houses, dwellings or temples of other faiths are everywhere. . Where vicars would refuse to marry anyone not a regular church goer no longer applies as they are only interested in getting some money in.

It goes on in Parliament every day and I can't believe for one minute that a large majority would not prefer it stopped.

quote:
Sittings in both Houses begin with prayers. These follow the Christian faith and there is currently no multi-faith element. Attendance is voluntary. The practice of prayers is believed to have started in about 1558, and was common practice by 1567. The present form of prayers probably dates from the reign of Charles II. Members of the public are not allowed into the public galleries during prayers.

I love you Izzy. Your like my arch nemesis because we are polar opposite aligned.

'empty churches turned into auction houses, dwellings or temples of other faiths are everywhere'

And just as the old passes, the new emerges. Many older church buildings not maintained and preserved as relics are not fit for purpose in this day and age. Traditional churches with cascading arches might have the right acoustics for an evensong choir but managing a PA is a nightmare. An uninsulated stone building built centuries ago that cannot be modified in any way due to english heritage but has a pretty stained glass window, or a new build auditorium with double glazed windows, toilets and catering facilities. Hmmmm thats a tricky one.

'Our local parish church dating back hundreds of years now has a congregation of just 15 regulars'

And where the Anglicans have seen significant declines, the charismatic pentecostal are revelling in rival. I respect a traditional service, but I can not deny it bores me silly. Over here is a church in decline, over here is a church in growth. Your argument is meaningless.