Ferarri FF - 4WD, 4 Seats.

Can't make up my mind on the looks at all, I think it'll be rather striking and unique to see once it's out and about.
 
I have always had a thing for shooting brakes and estates though, so that might explain my love of this.

Also reminds me of the Alfa Brera concept a tad, but lengthened.
 
JRS said:
No, it's not.

The competition would be the AM Rapide, Porsche Panamera Turbo, Maserati Quattroporte, Bentley Continental Flying Spur (or at least the Speed model of it)....all of which are very expensive, comfortable, stupefyingly quick cars that you could conceivably drive all the way to Monte Carlo without growing to hate them. The GT-R has the 'stupefyingly quick' part of that down pat, but as for the rest....it's not even playing the same sport, never mind being in the same league.
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I'm a bit 50/50 on it's market. I can see the obvious similiarities in what you've chosen but I have no idea of how it rides and how big those back seats really are, to me there is a world of difference in the 2+2 sector compared to the likes of the Panamera and Rapide.

I wouldn't drop dead of shock if I were flicking through Evo in 6 months and saw a 911 Turbo vs. GT-R vs Ferrari FF shootout either though. The 911 and GT-R would run rings around the luxury GTs you've listed, I suspect the FF not quite so much.

Interesting direction for Ferrari to take with the 4wd, the majority of the video on loose surface and all, bit of a chin stroker this one.


DAIR said:
I'm not trying to say its a **** car.

I just find it funny when people seem to compare every car to it.
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All Khaaan did was make, to me, a sort of obvious comparison. Look at what virtually every web and press motoring publication did throughout 2009 with the GT-R and what they compared the GT-R to, or with.

Then, ask yourself why.
 
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I think this is a car that will look a lot better in real life pictures, but I still quite like it!

Also, lol at what people are saying what is and what arent proper Ferraris. Do research doods. (plus its a pointless opinion)
 
Fett said:
I'm a bit 50/50 on it's market. I can see the obvious similiarities in what you've chosen but I have no idea of how it rides and how big those back seats really are, to me there is a world of difference in the 2+2 sector compared to the likes of the Panamera and Rapide.
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Yes, there are. That would be why there are several manufacturers putting cars up that can fit into that market segment - it's horses for courses. But I wouldn't have said that Nissan were going for that particular market segment when they laid out plans for the GT-R. They had other cars in their sights.

Porsche 997 high-performance variants? Absolutely. Middie V8 Ferraris? Absolutely. Lamborghini Gay-ardo? Absolutely. Corvette? Well....got to admire them for trying (:D).

But no. Not this car. And not the cars that it's actually going to go toe-to-toe with in the marketplace.

Fett said:
I wouldn't drop dead of shock if I were flicking through Evo in 6 months and saw a 911 Turbo vs. GT-R vs Ferrari FF shootout either though.
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And neither would I. But I would tut and wonder why on Earth they were bothering.

Fett said:
The 911 and GT-R would run rings around the luxury GTs you've listed, I suspect the FF not quite so much.
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And I should bloody well hope so, as well!

Fett said:
Interesting direction for Ferrari to take with the 4wd, the majority of the video on loose surface and all, bit of a chin stroker this one.
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They obviously see some benefit to it. I'm looking forward to further details.
 
In fact, I've decided this is a NO. Ferrari are not about 4WD awkward looking estate type cars. It's just wrong as far as I'm concerned.

I'll stick with my 2 seater, RWD, coupe thank you :)
 
Spie said:
In fact, I've decided this is a NO. Ferrari are not about 4WD awkward looking estate type cars. It's just wrong as far as I'm concerned.

I'll stick with my 2 seater, RWD, coupe thank you :)
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Out of interest, would you purchase one of the others in the same market should you need a 4 seater? panamera/rapide etc?
 
Morba said:
Out of interest, would you purchase one of the others in the same market should you need a 4 seater? panamera/rapide etc?
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The Panamera, maybe. It's a great car to drive but I really don't like the gear change switches. It's a Porsche, the company that brought us the Boxster and the Cayenne. Their focus has been diluted for some years now.

However, this is a Ferrari, and I do not think that this style of bodywork sits well with the identity of such a sporting marque. I feel uncomfortable when I look at it, even though the engine is hugely impressive. It just feels wrong.
 
I think it looks fantastic, although a brave concept. Definitely going to be a success, as nearly all modern Ferrari's are. I think their last fail was the 348. They wont be stealing any sales from anyone i.e. Panamera because it will probably be priced at twice what they cost.
 
Spie said:
The Panamera, maybe. It's a great car to drive but I really don't like the gear change switches. It's a Porsche, the company that brought us the Boxster and the Cayenne. Their focus has been diluted for some years now.

However, this is a Ferrari, and I do not think that this style of bodywork sits well with the identity of such a sporting marque. I feel uncomfortable when I look at it, even though the engine is hugely impressive. It just feels wrong.
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I know a lot of people don't like the look of the Panamera but personally I like it :)

Can understand your thoughts on the dilution of the brand, it is a big change from the norm, will be interesting to see one in the flesh though and see how well it sells.
 
I like it, what's not to like? Finally, a Ferrari that doesn't have to sit your garage because the outside temperature is 4C or there's a 0.19% chance of precipitation!

It's practical, and if the cost and running costs are sensible, then I think it's a win

Good sound, fairly (subjective) good looks and useable (much like a Passat :p)
 
Fett said:
I'm a bit 50/50 on it's market. I can see the obvious similiarities in what you've chosen but I have no idea of how it rides and how big those back seats really are, to me there is a world of difference in the 2+2 sector compared to the likes of the Panamera and Rapide.

I wouldn't drop dead of shock if I were flicking through Evo in 6 months and saw a 911 Turbo vs. GT-R vs Ferrari FF shootout either though. The 911 and GT-R would run rings around the luxury GTs you've listed, I suspect the FF not quite so much.

Interesting direction for Ferrari to take with the 4wd, the majority of the video on loose surface and all, bit of a chin stroker this one.




All Khaaan did was make, to me, a sort of obvious comparison. Look at what virtually every web and press motoring publication did throughout 2009 with the GT-R and what they compared the GT-R to, or with.

Then, ask yourself why.
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The FF and GTR are two different cars though.

One is a sports car.... The other a Luxury Grand Tourer.

I highly doubt Ferrari set their red dots on Nissan's GTR when developing the FF!
 
Any idea what the soundtrack is out of?

Made me think of Transformers for some reason.

Oh and I echo the Scimitar and Z3M Coupe comments.
 
DAIR said:
The FF and GTR are two different cars though.

One is a sports car.... The other a Luxury Grand Tourer.

I highly doubt Ferrari set their red dots on Nissan's GTR when developing the FF!
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And some people will argue that the GT-R is not a sports car, and I could see their point.

I don't think we are talking about Ferrari targetting the GT-R, but then I don't think the boffins at Ferrari sat down to design their transaxle dual-clutch paddle gearbox, adjustable damping, sophisticated electronic torque distributing four wheel drive, front mid-engined, two door, four seater with a proper boot...without pondering the GT-R either, amongst others.

Look at how Ferrari are marketing it so far...everyday versatility with supercar performance, large boot capacity and the all singing four wheel drive system in a car that can seat four people. That sort of marketing sounds a bit familiar, if nothing else.

It's a strange market segment and each car that fits the GT criteria compromises itself in some way, and bleeds into another segment. I'm not suggesting they are direct competitors, specifically in the luxury stakes, but I personally don't think that it's a wild or ridiculous leap to make comparisons between the two.

Because the lines are being blurred in regards to performance and cost, you can categorise a GT-R in a few ways. The GT stands for something, for a start, it's a car which Mizuno successfully specified should be refined enough to hold a conversation at 186 mph without having to raise your voice, has a decent range with a supple enough ride in Soft mode that, actually, a drive to Monte Carlo would not fill you with dread.

If you are in the market for what will probably be a £200k GT shooting brake with stunning performance, no...the GT-R won't be on your list. I just don't think that on paper tech-specs and function, they are worlds apart.
 
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