"You can't tell it's a diesel"

The point remains though, how often do we recommend against TDCi Mondeos and instead recommend the petrol just because its far less hassle to own?

A good friend of mine on this very forum - he'll post if he wants I guess - has spent literally thousands on his Mondeo TDCi over the last year. Everything has failed - injectors, DMF, the lot :eek:

He's now looking to reduce his maintenance bill by buying an ST220 :D
 
I personally think the Mondeo TDCi the last gen is a poor engine. Dont they like to eat injectors and are quite 'tractor like'?
 
Look at the plethora of irritated Skoda Octavia owners who are in the dealer every 5 minutes because of DPF regeneration problems.

The actual problems are the huge amounts of crap they have to fit to these cars to meet emissions standards - the reason why it affects mostly diesels is because until recently it is only diesel engined cars which have had all this stuff fitted.
 
[TW]Fox;18350110 said:
So we've got one crap petrol engine versus all the diesels, good going there.
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Ok I will re-word.. There are just as many costly problems with Vauxhall petrol Engines as there with the Diesel Engines.
 
it annoys me when someone says like a 1.6 litre focus or something is really "nippy" its not nippy or quick its slow! goddamnit
 
If you are right (I dont know or care enough about Vauxhall) then all this does is suggest Vauxhall make crap petrol engines. In everyone elses product range this isnt the case.
 
[TW]Fox;18350231 said:
If you are right (I dont know or care enough about Vauxhall) then all this does is suggest Vauxhall make crap petrol engines. In everyone elses product range this isnt the case.
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More than likely if you ask me vauxhall petrol engines went downhill after the XE and LET but thats just my opinion and my preference to these engines. I was just stating that there are as many costly issues with the petrol variants than the diesel ones.

I,m a vauxhall nut proud to admit it. I have spent the past 16 odd years of my life fixing and repairing them in my spare time. But my new car is a Ford simply because I found it much better than the Vauxhall equivelent. So i,m not saying that vauxhalls are amazing as I have owned other makes and will do shortly.

I,m not sugesting that my Vectra is more refined or better than the O/P,s Bmw in any way. I was just stating that mine does not have the characteristics that was mentioned of his as I have said its obviously a diesel.

ah so we're agreed the petrol build quality is as bad as the diesels then ?

Wonderfull, maybe now you'll stop preaching that they are very reliable.

Oh .. wait a minute ...
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But i,m sure some diesels are as reliable as petrols some maybe more. I know people that have diesel mondeo's and vectra's that have well exeeded the 150k mark with no major issues other than servicing. Then there are others that have had no end of issues at very low mileage be it either petrol or diesel.

I don't preach that diesel are better than petrol or any make is better than anything else as that would be a very narrow minded opinion. I base my opinions on what I have experienced and what I feel makes something good.
 
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MOOGLEYS said:
I,m not sugesting that my Vectra is more refined or better than the O/P,s Bmw in any way.
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Ok.

I was just stating that mine does not have the characteristics that was mentioned of his
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But you just siad it wasn't any better than his?! Now you contradict yourself. If it hasnt got the diesely characteristics he complains about, then surely it is more refined?
 
MOOGLEYS said:
I was just stating that mine does not have the characteristics that was mentioned of his as I have said its obviously a diesel.
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but it does though !

lets remind ourselves of what he said


Rilot said:
I'm really starting to get annoyed with this statement. I hear it so frequently now that I'm beginning to wonder if people are deaf.
I drive a 730d which is one of the most refined diesel cars on the planet and believe me, you CAN tell it's a diesel. It's obvious from the rattle and the vibration when it's started. Once on the move it's obvious from the rattle under acceleration. When not accelerating it's obvious from the flat drone from the motor.
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Once on the move you can tell its a diesel from the drone it makes !

I've been in CDTI 150 taxis and you can hear the diesel rattle under acceleration. They don't hide it any better than his BMW does.
 
Ive got a Audi A6 3.0 TDI V6 (2009). This is supposedely the engine to have in the Audi A6 range (S/RS excepted OFC) and even though it is very refined, capable and will bring in a nice burst of speed.... you can still tell *audibly* its a diesel; however this is really only true at startup, tickover and when the turbo isnt blowing. Once the turbo kicks in it quiets it down significantly. Even then with the windows open its hard to tell.

Edit: Does this put me off diesels, absolutely not. TBH I think over the course of the next few years most people will forget what a petrol engine sounds like as they are becoming a rare sight; making the diesel clatter the "norm"
 
[TW]Fox;18350314 said:
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But you just siad it wasn't any better than his?! Now you contradict yourself. If it hasnt got the diesely characteristics he complains about, then surely it is more refined?
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Or maybee his is a very bad example of the BMW diesel and mine is a very good example of the vauxhall diesel. ?

I've been in CDTI 150 taxis and you can hear the diesel rattle under acceleration. They don't hide it any better than his BMW does.
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As above I have never said that all CDTi engines are like mine I clearly stated that mine does not sound like the O/P's description.
 
MOOGLEYS said:
As above I have never said that all CDTi engines are like mine I clearly stated that mine does not sound like the O/P's description.
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what did he say it sounded like ?

He said you can tell its a diesel from the drone it makes. What part of that does your vectra not do ?
 
MrLOL said:
what did he say it sounded like ?

He said you can tell its a diesel from the drone it makes. What part of that does your vectra not do ?
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The drone bit. You can tell its a diesel no denying that but, Mine does not drone or rattle there is no vibration and travelling at 70 on the motorway you would never know it was a diesel.

My whole point was that my crappy vauxhall does not sound like a prestige car like a BMW and I was supprised that they do sound like this...
 
The last Vectra diesel I was in was a brand new 2008 CTDi 120 hire car. It did drone, it did rattle, and you could feel the cabin vibe at idle.

Is yours special?
 
[TW]Fox;18350418 said:
Yes this must be the answer. Obviously :D
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Because all engines are the same, Same levels of servicing, maintenance and build quality, of course not... So why could this not be the case or is it simply immpossible for any form of vauxhall to rival a BMW..? (as in a single car vs car and not model vs model if that makes sense).
 
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Is yours special?
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Maybe in some ways. As mentioned i,m a mechanic so my car gets everything done for a fraction of the cost. I get most parts for cost price so its over serviced and well over maintained so maybe comparing it to a car that visits a dealer once a year then maybe it is.

I honestly do not get a drone. The only real vibration you can feel is if you rest your hand on the gear stick but this is the same on most cars. I have worked with jet engines for 15 years so that could be the problem or i,m just used to it. I do however get quite a few comments from people saying its very quite for a diesel so who knows and as I have mentioned I have heard CDTi's that are far louder than mine...
 
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