child runs up huge xbox debt!

Fair comment on that orderoftheflame, but I would still stand by a verification at some point - this isn't the first time this has happened.

Perhaps at £50 or £100 of purchase. It's hardly an inconvineance to tap your code in just to be on the safe side.

As I mentioned, there's settings for all that. You can set a pass code for your account, or just set up a child account. It's hardly an inconvenience to set up. ;)

Personally if I see something I want to buy, I don't want to have to go and find my wallet, work out which of my cards my accounts linked with etc. I just want to buy my game, click click done. :p

The responsibility lies with the parents. Fobbing it off as Microsoft's fault is ridiculous imo.

As I posted in the other thread on GD, it is pretty crazy how easy it is to buy something on live. You press "A" once. That's it. Theres not even a confirmation dialogue! You could spend £1000 in 5 minutes if you just kept pressing a on 6000 MS points.

I could do the same on Amazon or Steam. Both are capable of remembering payment options without the need for reverifying for every purchase. ;) It's a massive convenience that only becomes an issue if you're careless.
 
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Somebody else posted about this in another forum and this was my reply:
Tough **** really. If you're going to allow your young child to play online without seeing if you can set up parental controls then it's all your own fault.
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Admittedly the xbox live system is retarded using points instead of just adding cash to the account, so someone using the console could spend money without realising it, but it's impossible for someone not to realise they're spending money when buying points. Not requiring the security code is also bad practice because if someone stole the console they would be free to make purchases.
 
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As I posted in the other thread on GD, it is pretty crazy how easy it is to buy something on live. You press "A" once. That's it. Theres not even a confirmation dialogue! .

I get a confirmation dialogue every time :confused:

Press A to buy then a box comes up asking for confirmation or cancel.
 
As I mentioned, there's settings for all that. You can set a pass code for your account, or just set up a child account. It's hardly an inconvenience to set up. ;)

Personally if I see something I want to buy, I don't want to have to go and find my wallet, work out which of my cards my accounts linked with etc. I just want to buy my game, click click done. :p

The responsibility lies with the parents. Fobbing it off as Microsoft's fault is ridiculous imo.



I could do the same on Amazon or Steam. Both are capable of remembering payment options without the need for reverifying for every purchase. ;) It's a massive convenience that only becomes an issue if you're careless.

I agree that for some like yourself the options that you require for puchasing should be available - which they are.

However, as 'savvy' as this child may be, and as 'stupid' as the mother may be, there is no safety net laid in.

Buying in a point system over a period of time for adults is fine because we understand fully what we are spending. But for children, the understanding of how much they are racking up over time may not be so sef-evident.

Say you have to verify at every ie.. £200.
Firstly, MS has covered its arse because it has made reasonable security measures to protect card purchases. If the code is validated at this point, then MS has every right to expect full payment of all purchases.

Secondly, if the card is not validated, then a parent only has to cough up £200 and not some ridiculous amount.

I feel this would cover all parties without either side feeling they have been 'seen coming'

I assume you buy on steam with your card, because with paypal I have to enter my password with every purchase I make.
 
i wouldnt want to lose it.

Of course you wouldn't but still. It's about, what 14 quid a week? Even then I'm sure she'd notice the £55 missing from her bank every month if she bothered to take notice of her bank statements.

My mum is quite hard up, she works long hours as a carer on only slightly above minimum wage, myself and my eldest sister don't live with her anymore so she doesn't get anything in the way of child benefits and such and she constantly monitors her bank statements and knows exactly what's coming in and going out even to the nearest 10p. It sounds like this woman isn't going to miss the money at all, and if she is well that's simply tough as it could have been resolved before the £1,000 was spent if she just paid more attention to her outgoings.
 
he must have known, "your card will be charged £xx for 2400 ms points etc" at that age they're as cunning as fox, prolly back on his xbox right now, or asking for a ps3 heh.
 
I agree that for some like yourself the options that you require for puchasing should be available - which they are.

However, as 'savvy' as this child may be, and as 'stupid' as the mother may be, there is no safety net laid in.

Buying in a point system over a period of time for adults is fine because we understand fully what we are spending. But for children, the understanding of how much they are racking up over time may not be so sef-evident.

Say you have to verify at every ie.. £200.
Firstly, MS has covered its arse because it has made reasonable security measures to protect card purchases. If the code is validated at this point, then MS has every right to expect full payment of all purchases.

Secondly, if the card is not validated, then a parent only has to cough up £200 and not some ridiculous amount.

I feel this would cover all parties without either side feeling they have been 'seen coming'

Whether or not there's a points system is moot. The kid will have seen the price in pounds when he bought the points, every time he bought the points. He knew he was spending his mothers money without her permission.

Why do Microsoft need to lay down more than they already have? There are perfectly fine parent/child account settings that will stop a child account from purchasing anything without a parents agreement.
If you only want your child to spend £X amount, buy points cards and don't even enter your card details.

Just because some parents can't be bothered to set up the existing controls doesn't mean that they don't work. ;)

I assume you buy on steam with your card, because with paypal I have to enter my password with every purchase I make.

Yes I mean paying by card. Steam will remember all of your details including the security number on the back if you choose it too.. As does Amazon.
 
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I could do the same on Amazon or Steam. Both are capable of remembering payment options without the need for reverifying for every purchase. ;) It's a massive convenience that only becomes an issue if you're careless.

It's pretty easy on steam but you don't just click on a game in the store list and literally instantly have it on your games list :p

Of course it's useful though.
 
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