Hyundai

[TW]Fox · 9 Feb 2011 at 18:37

His google skills are fading

Sone · 9 Feb 2011 at 18:50

why research facts when you can just make them up?

Fr0dders · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:07

Dogbreath said:
Hyundai unveiled their 1.6 GDI "Gamma" engine last year, the higher powered engine is almost certainly going to be a turbocharged version of this.

Gamma engine

Interesting that its a GDI.

They appear to be using Mitsubishi's tech on license.

PSA have bought a license to use it. Wonder if the 1.6 Turbo from the RCZ / mini / DS3 etc.. is GDI ?

*edit* appears so

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_engine

Jonnycoupe · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:46

Gasoline Direct Injection is not a Mitsubishi technology... You seen to be jumping to conclusions, good job they didnt call it FSI

The mini with direct injection explains why the one i had was suprisingly good on fuel. I didnt actually realise that until now. I wish mine was DI!

[TW]Fox · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:52

LOOK!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N53

The 330i has a Mitsubishi Engine.

Jonnycoupe · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:55

So has the XFR! And the Evoque!

Fr0dders · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:56

Jonnycoupe said:
Gasoline Direct Injection is not a Mitsubishi technology... You seen to be jumping to conclusions, good job they didnt call it FSI

Sorry if you mis understand my point.

PSA appear to be using mitsubishi's GDI technology under license

In Japan, Mitsubishi Motors was the first to introduce GDI technology, launching it on the Galant/Legnum's 4G93, which was later rolled out in Europe in 1998. In 1999, PSA Peugeot Citroen borrowed (under license) the GDI technology from Mitsubishi Motors and introduced a GDI engine although this was subsequently withdrawn from the market in 2001.

http://www.just-auto.com/analysis/directly-speaking-a-look-at-developments-in-gdi_id88273.aspx

As Do hyundai

http://paultan.org/2008/11/21/new-hyundai-20l-theta-gdi-turbo-engine/

It was not until 1996 that gasoline direct injection reappeared in the automotive market. Mitsubishi Motors was the first with a GDI engine in the Japanese market Galant/Legnum's 4G93 1.8 L straight-4,[3] which it subsequently brought to Europe in 1997 in the Mitsubishi Carisma,[4] and 2.4L GDI for Galant, although Europe's high-sulphur fuel led to emissions problems, and fuel efficiency was less than expected.[5] It also developed the first six cylinder GDI powerplant, the 6G74 3.5 L V6, in 1997.[6] Mitsubishi applied this technology widely, producing over one million GDI engines in four families by 2001,[7] PSA Peugeot Citroën and Hyundai Motors both licensed Mitsubishi's GDI technology in 1999, the latter using the first GDI V8.[8][9]

http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/Gasoline_direct_injection

Jonnycoupe · 9 Feb 2011 at 19:58

Huh?

Which 1.6 GEMA are you looking at?

EDIT ; no wonder im getting confused you keep changing your posts :d

Fr0dders · 9 Feb 2011 at 20:03

Jonnycoupe said:
Huh?

Which 1.6 GEMA are you looking at?

EDIT ; no wonder im getting confused you keep changing your posts :d

no idea if the 1.6 Gamma engine uses mitsubishi tech or not. Just trying to find out if it does use it. Hyundai have used it under license before.

Gaygle · 9 Feb 2011 at 20:12

tigerstyle said:
They have a lot of European design teams now, the guy that designed the Audi TT now works for them. Peter Schreyer, lot of good cars to his name!

sadly wiki again! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schreyer

It says there that he works for KIA

But i agree, Hyundai are coming on leaps and bounds. Strangely, as are KIA. I just don't think i'd ever be able to get over the Hyundai name though

Lashout_UK · 9 Feb 2011 at 20:16

Gaygle said:
But i agree, Hyundai are coming on leaps and bounds. Strangely, as are KIA.

Probably because Hyundai partly own Kia, and has put a lot of its own money into it

Gaygle · 9 Feb 2011 at 20:16

Lashout_UK said:
Probably because Hyundai partly own Kia, and has put a lot of its own money into it

Makes more sense now, thanks

mrk · 9 Feb 2011 at 20:27

Mmmm this looks rather nice, the styling is modern and pleasing to the eye unlike many "modern" hatches as of late.

This and the Genesis Coupe are darn nice looking cars - Genesis sounds/goes nice too going by all the videos!

Dogbreath · 10 Feb 2011 at 00:13

Gaygle said:
It says there that he works for KIA

The Veloster is based on the Kia Ceed platform. No bad thing either, the Top Gear car is very composed around the track for a bog standard 1.6 family hatch.

Flukester · 10 Feb 2011 at 07:38

wonder if this engine would fit in a i10, I've fitted a performance air filter and removed air box but I still long for a bit more (car is much quicker now though, especially with new lip boot spoiler)

ubersonic · 10 Feb 2011 at 08:31

rypt said:
I'm pretty sure they are ahead of Vauxhall already, and I say it will be another 5 years until they are equal to Honda/Ford/Toyota

Vauxhalls have a reputation for looking crap, driving crap and being as reliable as crap, the newer ones are an improvement but I think the damage to their reputation has been done. Hyundai on the other hand only look and drive crap (newer cars may be an improvement on this), their supposed to be quite reliable.

However I doubt they will catch Honda/Ford/Toyota any-time soon if ever, the Hyundai coupé is only just at the same level that the Celica and Prelude were 15 years ago.

merlin · 10 Feb 2011 at 09:05

I have some dealings with the Hyundai dealer network and typically they're taking in Vauxhall/Ford/Honda all day long in part ex - hence it's reasonable to assume they're ripping into those markets.

They've got themselves established as a serious contender smack bang in the middle of hard times. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the next part of the game plan is to start into the performance market - the car in the OP is just the start of it imo.

Meantime back to "normal" cars - it'll be interesting to see how the i40 goes down beause that is yet another attack on Vaux/Ford & Honda.

tigerstyle · 10 Feb 2011 at 09:17

ubersonic said:
, the Hyundai coupé is only just at the same level that the Celica and Prelude were 15 years ago.

Miles from the truth there dude.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/235359/hyundai_genesis_coupe.html This competes with a 370Z not a 15 year old Honda?

Wicksta · 10 Feb 2011 at 09:24

Flukester said:
wonder if this engine would fit in a i10, I've fitted a performance air filter and removed air box but I still long for a bit more (car is much quicker now though, especially with new lip boot spoiler)

Probably your most transparent effort at trolling motors yet. Try harder.

ubersonic · 10 Feb 2011 at 09:47

tigerstyle said:
Miles from the truth there dude.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/235359/hyundai_genesis_coupe.html This competes with a 370Z not a 15 year old Honda?

That's not a Hyundai Coupe, its the coupe (as in 2 door) version of the Hyundai Genesis, its a completely different car line.

My original statement stands, Ive only just found out that Hyundai have stopped producing the Coupe, but when it went out of production in 2008 it was still less powerful and less reliable than the '93 Celica or the '91 Prelude and it had a cheaper build quality, handled worse and had way less "toys".

But focusing on the Genesis coupe review you linked my statement of Hyundai being where Toyota were 15 years ago stands, unless ofc you think that car is better than the Supra which was faster, had more toys and will almost certainly beat the Hyundai reliability record.