Interesting documentary about cannabis

LeJosh said:
No, it doesn't just cause it and bring out all those mental issues. If at all, you'd have to smoke a lot and I mean a lot. Not just a joint.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here, obviously we are basing our opinions and judgements on this based off our own anecdotal experiences/evidence so I can see how they would differ, on a number of occasions I've seen first time users of cannabis have a whitey although many of them were fine after, although for some it seems to have an adverse effect on them and they can't even touch cannabis after it, some can't even touch caffeine after as they think it makes their heart go to fast, it's like they are left in a paranoid state that for the average person fades away but for these people it stays with them, it seems to open an over awareness in their brain and effects the 'fight or flight' part of their brains that has been conditioned over the centuries.
 
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LeJosh said:
I personally think it is more of a scapegoat rather than admitting mental health issues were all ways a problem.

Some people are proud. Too proud to admit that they themselves had a fault in their brain.
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i know in young people when the brain is still developing smoking cannabis could have an impact but its never been proven and its just a theory but the same thing could be said about many legal drugs aswell.

in a fully grown adult i cant see it really having any impact on long term mental state, alchohol has pretty much the same mental state changes but people dont claim they drunk a pint and forever after they had no fear , stayed agressive , always had confidence forevr after etc
 
lowrider007 said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here, obviously we are basing our opinions and judgements on this based off our own anecdotal experiences/evidence so I can see how they would differ, on a number of occasions I've seen first time users of cannabis have a whitey although many of them were fine after, although for some it seems to have an adverse effect on them and they can't even touch cannabis after it, some can't even touch caffeine after as they think it makes their heart go to fast, it's like they are left in a paranoid state that for the average person fades away but for these people it stays with them, it seems to open an over awareness in their brain and effects the 'fight or flight' part of their brains that has been conditioned over the centuries.
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Caffeine does increase your heart.

I'm not basing this off personal experience, I'm basing it off fact. There is zero evidence proving that cannabis causes mental health issues to such an extreme. A doctor would disregard it totally if you went to them and said, "help, I'm having severe panic attacks", "do you have a though as to why?" "well I had a smoke of cannabis this one time, could be that" "No it couldn't." Daily life is more of a strain on mental health than cannabis is, ever.

arknor said:
i know in young people when the brain is still developing smoking cannabis could have an impact but its never been proven and its just a theory but the same thing could be said about many legal drugs aswell.

in a fully grown adult i cant see it really having any impact on long term mental state, alchohol has pretty much the same mental state changes but people dont claim they drunk a pint and forever after they had no fear , stayed agressive , always had confidence forevr after etc
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Legal drugs are worse than natural cannabis tbh. More cases of extreme symptoms than cannabis has in the couple years. In fact, I hear of no cases of cannabis causes people to have mental health issues.
 
lowrider007 said:
on a number of occasions I've seen first time users of cannabis have a whitey although many of them were fine after,.
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How much are you talking? I've never, ever seen someone whitey after a few puffs of a joint. Hitting a 2 litre coke bong as a noob, then yeah, but never from passing a joint around (unless they had been drinking heavily too).
 
LeJosh said:
Caffeine does increase your heart.

I'm not basing this off personal experience, I'm basing it off fact. There is zero evidence proving that cannabis causes mental health issues to such an extreme. A doctor would disregard it totally if you went to them and said, "help, I'm having severe panic attacks", "do you have a though as to why?" "well I had a smoke of cannabis this one time, could be that" "No it couldn't." Daily life is more of a strain on mental health than cannabis is, ever
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Yes I know Caffeine increases your heart rate, I said
"some can't even touch caffeine after as they think it makes their heart go to fast"
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Meaning faster than it should do due to paranoia, these are people that were happy drinking coffee before.

And we know nothing for a fact, just because the link hasn't been proven conclusively yet does not mean there isn't one, remember we used to think smoking was good for us at one point, mental health links can be much harder to prove, I have know doubt in my mind that a link will be found in the future as there is too much anecdotal evidence to suggest there is a link and very rarely there is smoke without a fire.

You only have to type 'cannabis mental health link' into google and see that smoke, our own government re-classified it again stating that
"anyone who uses cannabis could be doing so at a risk to their mental health".
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And a Doctor would not disregard a link to cannabis if you told him/her that your panic attacks started just after or during an episode with cannabis.
 
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You will not find any good documentaries on illegal drugs on the state media BBC. Very biased and full with miss information and out right lies. They do not put across an honest history or showcase the real dangers of cannabis.

Watch these instead:





Edit: first link fixed.
 
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Lol @ that first video, reminds me of reefer madness :D

Everyone should watch that last video, awesome.
 
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I've been reading Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs, and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market written by Eric Schlosser, the first third of which deals with marijuana in the US, very interesting book with real case studies, well worth reading if this thread has sparked anyones desire to learn.
 
I'm at work and high as a *************. I earn more than the average 19 year old and I feel very successful.

However, the other day I went to see a mate I used to smoke with back in college. He used to be great in college, but It's only been 9 months since last met him and he's definately turned mental. :( .

Weed can be enjoyed with no/minimal consequences by responsible people, the same as alcohol. It's very unfair that this drug is illegal.
 
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Cannabis blocks mental distractions which can be ebenfiacial or detrimental to some people.

If it ferks you up, stop. Simple. don't blanket ban it and make it appeal to youngsters.
 
asim18 said:
I'm at work and high as a *************. I earn more than the average 19 year old and I feel very successful.

However, the other day I went to see a mate I used to smoke with back in college. He used to be great in college, but It's only been 9 months since last met him and he's definately turned mental. :( .

Weed can be enjoyed with no/minimal consequences by responsible people, the same as alcohol. It's very unfair that this drug is illegal.
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Sorry, your talking about responsible people and in your opening sentence mention your high whilst at work?

lol...
 
Meridian said:
And saying that things like MDAI have little effect is missing my point:
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Actually I was just curious.

that people are changing what they take to stay this side of the law, contrary to what some pro-legalisation people suggest.
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Just because they are keeping legal does not mean that they would not use illegal drugs if no legal alternatives were available. So it is not contrary to that argument by itself.
 
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I laughed at the bbc documentary. Take some people with psychology problems that happen to smoke cannabis and say it is the cannabis fault that they have psychology problems. Even if you remove cannabis from those peoples lives they will still have issues. They also focus on the effects of prohibition itself (without pointing it out) then make out as if it is cannabis itself that is causing human trafficking etc. Typical bbc propaganda oh and presented by an ex-east enders for that extra bit of credibility.

btw i fixed the first video link, i had the wrong one.
 
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Meridian said:
What lab test? By who? What equipment? What level of expertese at interpreting the answer? You can't just shove this stuff down a mass spec (assuming that it even went that advanced) and expect an answer to pop out: there a lot of very similar chemicals around which are also isomers of each other. Can your friend tell the difference between dimethyl-4-methcathinone and 4-methyethcathinone for example? I see another druggie who thinks taking the stuff makes them an expert on what is in a packet. A fair proportion of the stuff being marketed now is not even marketed by a technical name, just a "brand" like "Ivory Wave" etc. Most of them can and do contain just about anything: I've not seen two packets of (for instance) NRG-3 which contain the same thing. Even where they do have a proper name written on them, less than 20% contain what the wrapper says. And that is at import level, not street level.

And saying that things like MDAI have little effect is missing my point: that people are changing what they take to stay this side of the law, contrary to what some pro-legalisation people suggest.


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My friend had large amounts seized from China. I have a sheet here from customs that states it was 4MEC when it was tested my friend received before and after/same batch - IMO it's really good just dose higher and less slap, been sick mixing it with opiates a couple of times which never happened with 4mmc but my some of my friends think it's utter crap, some love and some meh - ultimately people react differently.

MDAI I dunno, I've never used. Mixed reviews. Personally my opinion on legal highs (I know LH and pure chemicals are diff. things) is that if you were buying from a dealer and he said "dunno what it is but it'll get you high" would you take it? that's the game people play on LH's. I remember when 4MMC was legal on street levels it was still cut and even things like bkpmma were passed off as it but t wasn't as crappy as now. I dunno what the quality of street mp is like now, anyone have an idea what it is like in thier area?
 
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legal highs is another buzzword created by the same people banning the drugs. (paxal, xanex anyone? you want some legal highs go to the chemists)

legal highs to me are dmt and other legal natural psychedelics. But they are not that legal for much longer. They even banned magic mushrooms. What rational reason could anyone have in banning magic mushrooms. Clearly another agenda to it.

Alexander Shulgin invented several psychoactive substances, some of them are more enjoyable than others. I would not recommend taking anything that has not been specifcally engineered for consumption or is a product of natural ingredients only.
 
James J said:
Sorry, your talking about responsible people and in your opening sentence mention your high whilst at work?

lol...
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I really don't see a problem, as long as you're not smoking yourself to sleep before clocking in it doesnt really effect some peoples way of thinking and operating too much, especially if you've done it for years. Hell I headed a company for 6 months while high most days, it didn't change the way I worked. Although it obviously did have some effect as I got completely cheesed off with the stress involved in the job and left :p

edit: also - good thread, an open discussion about drugs and drug use without anyone going over the top and getting the thread closed.
 
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