Karma ..... What's your view?

I once spoke to this crazy hippy who believed that karma exists, their evidence was "Prove karma doesn't exist."

If karma truely existed, who is it that decides what's good and what's bad. Who's to say that 'karma' doesn't see what we see as 'good' as bad things?
 
its a lot of BS because i know loads of people who are right ****** all there life and some have landed on there feet with nice houses , nice cars etc..

makes me feel sick to know you can rob houses , cause loads of misery , handbag snatch from old ladies and still end up with a nice life
 
Karma is a concept of some a deity or general fate actively rewarding and punishing people for their interactions with the subject. As with most of products of selfcomfort, the concept solely relies on moral code and scale known and promoted by the subjects themselves and always offer easy way out of any moral debt or need of revenge towards other people. They do you good, it's ok - Karma will reward them. They do you wrong, it's ok - Kara will punish them.
In most cultures this concept of "what goes around, comes around" self repairing world is abandoned somewhere between age of 7 and 10, however, in some groups it makes all the way to mainstream religious canon. In christian mythology for example a simplified concept of Karma reward scheme exists on every step, including afterlife, with usual "debt" get away clause in form of blessing. Should you owe anyone for anything, you can always say "Lord bless thee" thus ordering your deity to take over the account and issue appropriate rewards at its convenience and later date.
 
I like the concept of karma... then again I try to treat people as I'd like to be treated. Strangely, I also believe you are in control of your destiny, but that things also happen for a reason - a bit of a dichotomy of ideas I know, and in theory, contradictory - however it gives me comfort about life and things around me.

My uncle became a Buddhist 15 years ago and I have to say that his life and his outlook on life has changed for the positive. Completely coincidence no doubt, but some of the ideas and concepts really are quite interesting.
 
Van Hellseek said:
Look at the link I posted and READ it.

Your "My Name is Earl" interpretation of karma, is complete rubbish.
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If you read your own link, you'll see that it carries different meanings for different cultures and religions, regardless of it's origins.

Western interpretation said:
According to karma, performing positive actions results in a good condition in one's experience, whereas a negative action results in a bad effect.
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For the record, the whole thing is rubbish.
 
Van Hellseek said:
Look at the link I posted and READ it.

Your "My Name is Earl" interpretation of karma, is complete rubbish.
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From what I've seen, the "My Name is Earl" interpretation of karma is what a lot of people seem to see karma as, simply some greater consciousness which punishes you in some cryptic, unrelated way if you steal a mars bar. I know that it is complete rubbish, but I that was my argument over that take on what karma is. Saying there's a true definition karma is like saying there's a true religion since people interpret it differently based on their experiences, as said in the link you posted.

Karma is a like weird way that people make themselves feel better when they do nice things or when others do things they don't agree with. It's like crap passive aggression.
 
It's a silly notion. Made up and favoured by people who would rather believe in something interesting and unexplainable because they are scared by the complexity of actual science.

It would take a LOT for me to believe it, even in the slightest. There is no properly worked out theory; people just 'observe' it randomly. There is no model for how strong it is, how often it occurs, whether it's stronger in different people or places etc.

So many people have claimed to have seen or been subjected to karma, but there's absolutely no pattern in how often it occurs and under what circumstances. Moreover there is ZERO physical evidence, just the testimony of humans who will always be subjectable to cognitive bias.

If someone came up with a plausible and fixed mechanic for karma and backed it with a mathematical model AND that model was able to predict specific results - 'bad thing occurred at x, good karma will arrive at y - AND a fair experiment delivered results predicted by the model, then it would have some credibility. But no such mechanic is even close to existing.

We need to consider what would have to exist for karma to be real. Some kind of 'force' that records when a person has done something good, remembers that person, monitors where they go and what they do, meanwhile deciding on a befitting reward and then deciding when, where and how that reward should be administered. If every person on Earth is affected by karma, this 'force' would have to be recording and calculating karma rewards/punishments billions of times a day. To assume that such a force exists that gives off no physical signature and has no observable presence is akin to believing in a giant invisible magical unicorn that lives on the moon.

It's all fancy. People do good things all the time and get no reward. Bad people do get rewarded sometimes. So it's fair to say this system isn't everywhere and doesn't apply to everyone, that or it is VERY fallible.

What annoys me is when a person does something nice, like helping out a friend, and then the next day they find £10 on the floor. Then they dance around like a stoned hippy shouting "KARMA KARMA KARMA! That's karma, that is!", then they go off believing there's some magical force in the universe. However someone dusting off their hands after just murdering a child had just as much chance of finding that £10 note as the friend-helper did.

People only see karma because they're looking for it, and they make it up in their heads. If something good happens to them, in their mind they go back and try to recall the last time they did a good deed and weren't directly rewarded. Maybe they remember that two days ago they helped an old lady off the bus. They then attribute this random reward to that event and claim it's karma at work. Fact is causality reckons you would have received that reward even if you hadn't have helped her. Equally if you did help the old lady, the chances of causality bestowing unto you a reward are unchanged.

All the time people do a good deed and then a few days later something nice happens to them, and it just goes unnoticed. Likewise people do bad things all the time, and if they happen to be punished indirectly, it again goes unnoticed. It's not 'karma', it's just causality.

STUFF JUST HAPPENS.
 
Karma and the 'just world' theory are emotional crutches.

If something terrible happened to someone, then they must have done something terrible. I haven't done anything terrible, so nothing terrible will happen to me.

It helps people avoid having to recognise that life is hard and unfair. People who see the homeless, sick or dying comfort themselves with 'Well, they must have done something wrong'.
 
Yes, I'm sure all those millions of people living in and around squalor and death deserve it from being bad in their past life. Oh and the disabled too, if I want to get my Glenn Hoddle on.
 
I think it's the natural balance of the Universe, it has to be!!11

Last week I was speaking with a colleague about cars and I said how I have had my car for 2 years and not a single problem, then that very night after I drove home from work and was about to pop out again it was misfiring and vibrating!

Several days and over £200 later it was sorted, but damn, never again will I speak about the reliability of my car to anyone again :p
 
Khaaan! said:
I think it's the natural balance of the Universe, it has to be!!11

Last week I was speaking with a colleague about cars and I said how I have had my car for 2 years and not a single problem, then that very night after I drove home from work and was about to pop out again it was misfiring and vibrating!

Several days and over £200 later it was sorted, but damn, never again will I speak about the reliability of my car to anyone again :p
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Just a massive coincidence. Extremely unlikely things happen all the time, believe it or not. You don't really think that some mysterious deity heard you say that about your car, and because it felt like being a *******, decided to break your car as punishment for your smugness?

There's a statistical chance of someone's car breaking down, that's it. The fact that you spoke of your success with cars earlier on was just coincidence. Spooky, but non-consequential.
 
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