** Official World of Warcraft: Cataclysm Thread **

Since 4.0.6 our marks hunters have dropped Arcane shot from their rotations altogether. They are using hardcasted Aimed Shots instead of it as their focus dump. More info here but its not totally updated for 4.0.6 yet.

Edit: S7rider has summed it up nicely!
 
any serious feral dps players here?

how are you doing in BG with the new changes? not interested in arena

deciding whether to reroll or continue my kitty worgen :(

surely blizz have to realise they have ****** the kitty mechanics up big time with the shapeshift change.

Im considering rerolling to a Rogue.......because the play style is similar but they are much better at damage.........im however worried about their solo-ability, which my druid is king at, i can solo pretty much any elite with this guy.....how are rogues at pve solo? Im guessing the new 1-60 will be easy but im thinking more into Outland and Northrend rogue play as there are a number of elites quests
 
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Voltage said:
any serious feral dps players here?

how are you doing in BG with the new changes? not interested in arena

deciding whether to reroll or continue my kitty worgen :(

surely blizz have to realise they have ****** the kitty mechanics up big time with the shapeshift change.
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Don't think they ****** at all! About time that ability got nerfed. :D

Voltage said:
Im considering rerolling to a Rogue.......because the play style is similar but they are much better at damage.........im however worried about their solo-ability, which my druid is king at, i can solo pretty much any elite with this guy.....how are rogues at pve solo? Im guessing the new 1-60 will be easy but im thinking more into Outland and Northrend rogue play as there are a number of elites quests
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Not sure about elites but my subtlety rogue can two shot normal mobs. Sneak behind, use preparation, ambush, finishing move and you got one dead mob. The new healing finishing moves helps in prolonged fights.

However, said rogue was horrible are really low level, <20. Lacked skills and ability to keep you alive and escape. I never died so much :p Might of changed now.
 
Voltage said:
Im considering rerolling to a Rogue.......because the play style is similar but they are much better at damage.........im however worried about their solo-ability, which my druid is king at, i can solo pretty much any elite with this guy.....how are rogues at pve solo? Im guessing the new 1-60 will be easy but im thinking more into Outland and Northrend rogue play as there are a number of elites quests
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Level as combat and you wont have any problems, dont even need to worry about stealth just run up to elite hit killing spree, pop evasion and adrenaline rush and will have big nasty things down in no time.
 
It was somewhat dissapointing after being core of our abilities since I started playing back in '05 but it was probably one of the only solutions as I said before, perhaps berserk could enable the entanglement effect or make you immune for the duration like it does with fear right now.

But even that is borderline op in arena for tunneling along with its increase in damage. At the moment when rooted to the spot you just have to sit in bear form, grin and bear it with survival instinct and the like. (NPI!)

The game is not really balanced around BG's or duels. It hasn't hurt the dps side of feral which is probably what they were trying to avoid, as that didn't need nerfing in pve. In my view the 'PVP' side of the game is still trying to catch up after being a sidegame through vanilla, that was a long time ago though to be fair.

I still love druids, they are a great class, I missed them sorely when I ended up playing my warrior as a main for the end of wrath and beginning of cataclysm, back to my lovely ferla/resto ways now though.
 
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Beasty said:
The game is not really balanced around BG's or duels. It hasn't hurt the dps side of feral which is probably what they were trying to avoid, as that didn't need nerfing in pve. In my view the 'PVP' side of the game is still trying to catch up after being a sidegame through vanilla, that was a long time ago though to be fair.
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Well you never going to balance the game 100%. Always going to be builds/classes better then others. The change put feral druids in the same place other melee classes are and give classes that rely on roots to kill a chance of winning.
 
Voltage said:
any serious feral dps players here?

how are you doing in BG with the new changes? not interested in arena

deciding whether to reroll or continue my kitty worgen :(

surely blizz have to realise they have ****** the kitty mechanics up big time with the shapeshift change.

Im considering rerolling to a Rogue.......because the play style is similar but they are much better at damage.........im however worried about their solo-ability, which my druid is king at, i can solo pretty much any elite with this guy.....how are rogues at pve solo? Im guessing the new 1-60 will be easy but im thinking more into Outland and Northrend rogue play as there are a number of elites quests
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Well even as a Mage I for one am sad at the Shapeshifting out of roots being taken away from Feral Druids. It was a defining aspect of the class and even though they train me pretty hard in both BGs and arenas - dealing with that was all part and parcel of choosing my own class.

I actually played a Feral Druid from 2005 up until the 2nd month of wotlk.

What I realised then, is that Feral Druids are a spec destined to be an underdog. The moment they become competitive in PvP, the number of complaints from probably the most influential communities - rogues and mages - becomes deafening and they are nerfed back into oblivion.

It happened at the start of TBC, it happened again at the start of wotlk, and now it has happened again.

In any event, I think you will enjoy a Rogue - they are slightly less flexible in their approach, but no less fun to play imo.
 
im looking into rogue very much however i will be levelling entirely through PVE and a big of BG

Im not a person who can fly into dungeons and dungeon grind to 85

Im concerned about Rogue solo viability especially on the group quests you sometimes get with adds....i can see a rogue struggling big time with them yet the druid/huntard/lock and others flys through them
 
With a rogue you have many tools to survive multiple mobs - and vanish as a last resort to prevent death and try again =)

You have Evasion, Blade Flurry (if combat), Recuperate and (later) Combat Readiness.

My Rogue is 84 and he can confidently handle up to 3 or 4 mobs at once with the use of the above cooldowns and Adrenaline rush.

Havent tried solo'ing any elites though.
 
I have re-rolled as an undead priest (currently lvl 18) and joined a random dungeon. During a run in Deadmines, one of the dps chaps (a hunter if i recall) snuffed it and blamed me for not healing, since I was focused on keeping the tank topped up. The DPSer's spam was that I am supposed to heal EVERYONE, whereas from my experience in parties, the healer maintains healing on the tank as priority. Also, my priest is shadow specced, so healing is not optimum and mana does become a small issue during boss fights if the tank is struggling.
So, am I right to let him die or am I wrong to concentrate my healing skills and valuable mana on the main tank?
Last thought - telling the dpser to manage his threat caused him to spam more abuse.. :)
 
shaggyd said:
I have re-rolled as an undead priest (currently lvl 18) and joined a random dungeon. During a run in Deadmines, one of the dps chaps (a hunter if i recall) snuffed it and blamed me for not healing, since I was focused on keeping the tank topped up. The DPSer's spam was that I am supposed to heal EVERYONE, whereas from my experience in parties, the healer maintains healing on the tank as priority. Also, my priest is shadow specced, so healing is not optimum and mana does become a small issue during boss fights if the tank is struggling.
So, am I right to let him die or am I wrong to concentrate my healing skills and valuable mana on the main tank?
Last thought - telling the dpser to manage his threat caused him to spam more abuse.. :)
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Ha you better get used to being blamed for other peoples mistakes! Healers (and tanks) often wrongly take the flak when things go wrong.

If you ask me it shared responsibility. DPs should avoid getting hurt but mistakes happen. Good DPS will do some thing about it rather then sit and wait to be healed. You should never heal DPS instead of the tank though.
 
BombayMix said:
Ha you better get used to being blamed for other peoples mistakes! Healers (and tanks) often wrongly take the flak when things go wrong.

If you ask me it shared responsibility. DPs should avoid getting hurt but mistakes happen. Good DPS will do some thing about it rather then sit and wait to be healed. You should never heal DPS instead of the tank though.
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Although probably not worth it now, but I kept holy spec until lvl 30 and then got dual spec. Just used smite to kill everything, but it meant it was a bit easier in dungeons when healing :)

Your stance on healing is correct, when using shadow spec, I only get hurt doing heroics that Ive forgotton something about, and its my own fault. However ive got a few 'save me' buttons which help. Its when people dont have this kind of backup and expect the healer to be there every single time you make a booboo thats annoying.
 
shaggyd said:
I have re-rolled as an undead priest (currently lvl 18) and joined a random dungeon. During a run in Deadmines, one of the dps chaps (a hunter if i recall) snuffed it and blamed me for not healing, since I was focused on keeping the tank topped up. The DPSer's spam was that I am supposed to heal EVERYONE, whereas from my experience in parties, the healer maintains healing on the tank as priority. Also, my priest is shadow specced, so healing is not optimum and mana does become a small issue during boss fights if the tank is struggling.
So, am I right to let him die or am I wrong to concentrate my healing skills and valuable mana on the main tank?
Last thought - telling the dpser to manage his threat caused him to spam more abuse.. :)
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The only issue I would have is... that you are specc'd for damage, not healing and so that would be just as fair as a ret paladin or cat druid or arms/fury warrior signing up as tank. People need to be sensible about using LFD and not just pick an option because it shortens the queue time for them.

Say you did get one of the non-tanking specs I mentioned before, what would you do? Would you kick the tank for not being a tank, or should you yourself leave and take the deserter penalty?

The reason I ask is because pretty soon you'll find that that behaviour won't get you far in the dungeons after deadmines.
 
Voltage said:
any serious feral dps players here?

how are you doing in BG with the new changes? not interested in arena

deciding whether to reroll or continue my kitty worgen :(

surely blizz have to realise they have ****** the kitty mechanics up big time with the shapeshift change.

Im considering rerolling to a Rogue.......because the play style is similar but they are much better at damage.........im however worried about their solo-ability, which my druid is king at, i can solo pretty much any elite with this guy.....how are rogues at pve solo? Im guessing the new 1-60 will be easy but im thinking more into Outland and Northrend rogue play as there are a number of elites quests
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Rogues are minted, in solo fights they can just keep kicking etc and survive, the only difference they have is remembering to keep poisons up on their weapons.

In BG's the play style is slightly different, they have to wait and sap compared to what I assume you have been doing which would be leap and stun.
 
Bumhug said:
Level as combat and you wont have any problems.
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Combat just doesn't seem rogue like to me! I might as well be on my Ret Pally or roll an arms warrior. Subtlety with all the sneaking and ambushing much more rogue like.

I tend to play assassination in dungeons, since subtlety a bit pants their.
 
Anyone know the best class to start off with? Im getting back into WOW after a long break, currently i'm a 23 Human Mage and looking for another class pref a strong one, btw i've got Wrath Of The Lich King, any point in me getting the Cat upgrade?

Cheers guys.
 
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