Motoring: Modern Britain

NathWraith · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:51

rypt said:
How about you actually post something that is a counter argument, instead of just trolling and posting nothing ... just increasing your post count.

Tell me, why do we need speed limits? Why is the simply rule of "drive at a speed that is safe for the conditions" not enough?

I do agree but unfortuantly for reasons already posted trhis will never happen.

99% people are tools on the roads, and you wouldn't give those 99% of people the right to bomb around at 100mph+

I do think motorway speeds should be increased though. As no one ever does the 70 limit unless the 5-O is around or there are cameras.

Then again if they rasied it any more my car would struggle to keep up LOL

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:54

^^

I'd love to see 80MPH for Cars & 65MPH for trucks, with stricter enforcement.

I'm not holding my breath.

LeJosh · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:55

There is a speed limit due to the number of cars on the road today.

To remove it, it would be chaos. Isle of Man, population is what now?

Autobahn has hard limits on certain vehicles too and has a recommended speed, most will cruise around at 80mph but people with more expensive sports cars will drive faster.

DM · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:56

rypt said:
So how does Isle of Man, or Autobahn, manage then?

Why can we not have stricter/better testing and training?

Why do we not for instance include skidpan in our training like the Fins do?

Besides given how people ignore the speed limit anyway I'm not sure it would actually make any difference anyway

Im just guessing here but i would say the IOM manages because its a little place with not a lot of people.

The autobahn survives because Germans have better road discipline than us.

As for all the other why why why's, well what i want to know is why they havent made me prime minister yet, i just for the life of me cant understand it.

rypt · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:57

DiamondMark said:
The autobahn survives because Germans have better road discipline than us.

Would that perhaps be down to their training and testing?

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:58

NathWraith said:
As no one ever does the 70 limit unless the 5-O is around or there are cameras.

The 5-0 tend not do do the limit more often than not which really gets my goat,if they have the Blues & Two's on, I'll forgive them that!

rypt said:
Would that perhaps be down to their training and testing?

Whilst knowing sweet f/a re: the German standards of driver training, I'd be surprised if not! - They have a more stringent "MOT" test, that I know (Cheers Top gear!

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rypt · 16 Feb 2011 at 11:59

R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
The 5-0 tend not do do the limit more often than not which really gets my goat,if they have the Blues & Two's on, I'll forgive them that!

Hmm, usually I find the plod sitting in the middle lane doing about 60 and then everyone, in all lanes, ends up not overtaking them despite the limit being 70

DM · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:00

rypt said:
Would that perhaps be down to their training and testing?

I covered that with my prime minister quote, its not happening here so its not worth banging on about.

But lets just think about it for a minute, lets just say they bring in a super tough exhaustive driving test this monday, what you going to do about the however many million drivers we already got?

Cos i sure as **** couldnt pass a driving test now, what you going to do ban me?

rypt · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:00

Why exactly can better training and testing procedures not happen?

I see no reason why it cannot occur, though it may well increase costs (though I think if you do it properly it should not by much)

Cosimo · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:01

rypt said:
Would that perhaps be down to their training and testing?

Just their training, discipline and following orders.

[TW]Fox · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:03

rypt said:
How about you actually post something that is a counter argument, instead of just trolling and posting nothing ... just increasing your post count.

I have no need to post simply to increase my postcount.

Tell me, why do we need speed limits? Why is the simply rule of "drive at a speed that is safe for the conditions" not enough?

Because many people cannot be trusted to excercise the correct judgement that would be required without speed limits.

The mistake you make time and time again is you appear to assume everyone in the country has your perceived level of 'intellect'.

We have enough of an issue with people like yourself travelling at 120mph on country lanes because they are so deluded they think they are far better drivers than they really are, without the speed limits that criminalise such activity, it would be even worse.

Few people are safe at such speeds - much fewer than those who beleive they themselves are safe at these speeds. And sadly these few are unfortunately affected by laws in place to protect the many.

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:10

I'm on a "Driver CPC" * training course tomorrow, something that will continue for as long as I drive trucks, a lot of crap I'm sure, but things will be picked up & learned, even by an old git like me.

Car drivers should be forced to do similar on-going training too I feel. Again though, fat chance.

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The Driver CPC is for LGV and PCV drivers who drive professionally throughout the UK. It has been developed as a requirement of the EU Directive 2003/59, which is designed to improve the knowledge and skills of professional LGV and PCV drivers throughout their working life. There are two parts to the legislation:

* The Initial Qualification must be achieved by new LGV and PCV drivers along with their vocational licence to enable them to use their licence professionally.

* Periodic Training; 35 hours of training every 5 years must be attended by all professional drivers

http://www.drivercpc.org/en/what-is-driver-cpc/

DM · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:16

R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
I'm on a "Driver CPC" * training course tomorrow, something that will continue for as long as I drive trucks, a lot of crap I'm sure, but things will be picked up & learned, even by an old git like me.

Car drivers should be forced to do similar on-going training too I feel. Again though, fat chance.

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http://www.drivercpc.org/en/what-is-driver-cpc/

Thats what im saying this country is never on this earth going to start forcing people into driver training, because when no one takes it up what they going to do to enforce it? Ban a massive revenue stream from generating that revenue, my arse, its never going to happen.

rypt · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:18

[TW]Fox;18479090 said:
We have enough of an issue with people like yourself travelling at 120mph on country lanes because they are so deluded they think they are far better drivers than they really are, without the speed limits that criminalise such activity, it would be even worse.

I never said I do 120 on country lanes, as most are not safe at that speed.

The point I was making is that you should drive to the conditions and your ability, not to an arbitrary number.

If people do not have the intellect to do that then perhaps they should not hold a license to begin with.

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:19

DiamondMark said:
Thats what im saying this country is never on this earth going to start forcing people into driver training, because when no one takes it up what they going to do to enforce it? Ban a massive revenue stream from generating that revenue, my arse, its never going to happen.

Its already happening in logistics, a lot of people (myself included!) said "my arse!" too when it was first mooted.....

DM · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:20

R420LA6X2/4MNA said:
Its already happening in logistics, a lot of people (myself included!) said "my arse!" too when it was first mooted.....

Who's paying for your course?

alx · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:20

rypt said:
Why exactly can better training and testing procedures not happen?

I see no reason why it cannot occur, though it may well increase costs (though I think if you do it properly it should not by much)

I'll humour you, as I'm sure you can think of reasons why it would be difficult...

It could happen, but unless you retest everyone who has currently passed then it will be decades before you can even think of rasing the speed limits.

I'm sure you can see the issue with retesting everyone who currently has a licence, mainly:

1) logistical nightmare to organise
2) likely to be political suicide
3) cost, for both the Government and public - both of which are (in the main)
hardly swimming in it atm

You've also got to factor in the fact that people would have to take time of work to get retested, and if they fail, possibly need extra lessons - all of which no one needs right now in the economic climate (or ever to be honest).

The only reasonable way I can see it working is if you phase it in gradually for people currently learning to drive.

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:21

rypt said:
The point I was making is that you should drive to the conditions and your ability, not to an arbitrary number.

If people do not have the intellect to do that then perhaps they should not hold a license to begin with.

Which all comes down to training, or in our case, lack of it.

But Mark is right, costs etc, it'll never happen.

Scania · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:22

DiamondMark said:
Who's paying for your course?

My employers, me if I leave withing a certain time period after the training I think....

I have no intentions of leaving so to all intents and purposes, ESL pay for it.

Wicksta · 16 Feb 2011 at 12:22

German autobahns are generally a lot quieter than our motorways and where they aren't there are speed limits. I wouldn't mind an increase here to say 90 but if it was unlimited you'd get all kinds of idiots at vmax.