Motoring: Modern Britain

[Jonnycoupe]

I never said I do 120 on country lanes, as most are not safe at that speed.

The point I was making is that you should drive to the conditions and your ability, not to an arbitrary number.

Rather that than the subjective self assessment of a UK motorist. Many car/driver combinations would be simply uncompatible on the same road network.

The point Id like to make is you should drive to the conditions and your ability AND arbitrary number. Deviation from this is illegal and if you are taken to court for a speeding offence the defence of 'Rypt said it was okay to drive at that speed'

Rypt you need to go for local MP moving onto PM with 5 years rather then spinning your vitriol on everything and anything which ultimatley remains silent and ineffective in your quest for Utopia.

 

[DM]

My employers, me if I leave withing a certain time period after the training I think....

And there my good man i rest my case.

First big point is your company is paying, second is you do it for a living.

You start telling ignorant people like me that use a car to save walking they need to start coughing up for what in effect gets them nothing and see what happens

 

[[TW]Fox]

I never said I do 120 on country lanes, as most are not safe at that speed.

Yes you did, in a previous thread about how awesome you think you are.

If people do not have the intellect to do that then perhaps they should not hold a license to begin with.

Imagine the outcry if somebody took your license away on that premise?

 

[Scania]

And there my good man i rest my case.

First big point is your company is paying, second is you do it for a living.

You start telling ignorant people like me that use a car to save walking they need to start coughing up for what in effect gets them nothing and see what happens

case closed mate, I agree.

That said, all drivers have to undertake the training I refer to, the lucky ones, have employers who will pay, like ESL in my case, many employers won't pay it, leaving the driver to pay or hang up his keys.

I just wish some system was worked out so the ignorant (no intent to yourself!) can possibly improve on what I feel are pretty dreadful standards.

(Part of me can't quite believe I'm here advocating all this training & safety malarky I must be getting old! )

 

[TS7]

And there my good man i rest my case.

First big point is your company is paying, second is you do it for a living.

You start telling ignorant people like me that use a car to save walking they need to start coughing up for what in effect gets them nothing and see what happens

Off topic: It was me who sent you a message via trust in-case you were confused. It'd be appreciated if you could have a quick glance over the link. If you're busy, then it's cool.

 

[monkey_boy]

So how does Isle of Man, or Autobahn, manage then?

Why can we not have stricter/better testing and training?

Why do we not for instance include skidpan in our training like the Fins do?

Besides given how people ignore the speed limit anyway I'm not sure it would actually make any difference anyway

Because it'd take >70 years to filter through to 100% of the drivers holding GB licences. Then you need to do something about the foregners driving on our roads at whatever speed they feel fit.

 

[Gaygle]

Rypt, do you even drive?! It's just, i'm finding it hard to believe that someone with driving experience can advocate removing speed limits...

 

[DM]

Off topic: It was me who sent you a message via trust in-case you were confused. It'd be appreciated if you could have a quick glance over the link. If you're busy, then it's cool.

Just replied to you, that looks a very nice if a bit dear Jag

 

[rypt]

Yes you did, in a previous thread about how awesome you think you are.

I have done those sorts of speeds, but the point I'm making is that most out country lanes are unsafe at those speeds so you will not find many people doing them.

 

[Gaygle]

most out country lanes are unsafe at those speeds so you will not find many people doing them.

Which implies that some people will still do these speeds, which kinda blows your whole "let people do whatever speed they think is safe" argument right out of the water.

 

[TS7]

Just replied to you, that looks a very nice if a bit dear Jag

Thanks a lot - much appreciated. Should hopefully go have a look at it soon.

 

[rypt]

Which implies that some people will still do these speeds, which kinda blows your whole "let people do whatever speed they think is safe" argument right out of the water.

People already go too fast for the conditions though, and with better training/testing even fewer would do it even with NSL meaning "no speed limit" again.

It is something that cannot be changed overnight, but if you introduce better testing, raise limits (rather than doing what councils are doing and lowering them) gradually, remove speed cameras and instead have TrafPol enforcing bad driving rather than speeding ... with time you can have limits removed.

 

[Gaygle]

For this post, Bazza will be my case study. Bazza has just passed his test, has a 1.2 Corsa with massive exhaust and banging sound system. Bazza also tends to drive like most 17 yr old boys and thinks he knows it all. Like a lot of 17 year olds, he has a younger girlfriend (Shazza) who loves the freedom that having a boyfriend with a car gives her - she also likes inviting her mates along to drive around with Bazza. Bazza also has a lot of male friends with chavved up cars and like to spend his weekends showing off by racing around with his little mates.

People already go too fast for the conditions though, and with better training/testing even fewer would do it even with NSL meaning "no speed limit" again.

How would better training stop Bazza showing off to his 16 year old girlfriend? As a 17 yr old male, it's hardwired into him that he knows better and that he is in fact Michael Schumachers lesser known twin.

but if you introduce better testing

Bazza will just do what he needs to to get through the test, then still show off to his mates and wrap his car around a tree (possibly with Shazza's mates in the car).

raise limits (rather than doing what councils are doing and lowering them)

Right...so now a 60 road, that Bazza may have used to have only done 70 on for fear of being caught by the Rozza's and losing his precious licence, is unrestricted. Bazza, being a driving God, thinks now, there is no way he can lose his licence so he drives as fast as he can. Bazza, being a new driver in a **** box doesn't know many many different hazards on the road or his skill at driving. So instead of trying to encourage Bazza to slow down, you're going to encourage him to speed up? The only way this can possibly help is that now when Bazza hits the tree/tractor/oncoming vehicle/kerb/cyclist/walker, he will be dead, rather than severely wounded and therefore won't run up huge medical bills that the NHS will have to pay for.

gradually, remove speed cameras and instead have TrafPol enforcing bad driving rather than speeding

I agree on this. I'd much rather have a Traffic cop on duty than a speed camera.

 

[Tysonator]

Strange the world of cars, Car manufactures all want us to shell out on a new car every 2-3 years, yet owning one is a big headache, big financial cost and a liablility in a town. As towns now seem to hate cars and charg stupid amounts of money to park. Clampers have a field day with us, govermnent enjoy taxing us for owning a car, and I can not get any where quick in my home town because of traffic and the poor infrastructure that we call roads.
Public transport is too expensive and can not take from your door to your place of work, so we buy a car !
It seems Drivers are a legitimate targets for fleecing of cash !

 

[Scania]

It is something that cannot be changed overnight, but if you introduce better testing, raise limits (rather than doing what councils are doing and lowering them) gradually, remove speed cameras and instead have TrafPol enforcing bad driving rather than speeding ... with time you can have limits removed.

Whilst I agree with the sentiment, your asking for a system that will result in better drivers and a big drop in revenue from the cash generators, opps! I mean speed cameras.

The fact that a lot of drivers have no clue what "Average speed check" means, just keeps the money coming in....

 

[DM]

For this post, Bazza will be my case study. Bazza has just passed his test, has a 1.2 Corsa with massive exhaust and banging sound system. Bazza also tends to drive like most 17 yr old boys and thinks he knows it all. Like a lot of 17 year olds, he has a younger girlfriend (Shazza) who loves the freedom that having a boyfriend with a car gives her - she also likes inviting her mates along to drive around with Bazza. Bazza also has a lot of male friends with chavved up cars and like to spend his weekends showing off by racing around with his little mates.



How would better training stop Bazza showing off to his 16 year old girlfriend? As a 17 yr old male, it's hardwired into him that he knows better and that he is in fact Michael Schumachers lesser known twin.



Bazza will just do what he needs to to get through the test, then still show off to his mates and wrap his car around a tree (possibly with Shazza's mates in the car).



Right...so now a 60 road, that Bazza may have used to have only done 70 on for fear of being caught by the Rozza's and losing his precious licence, is unrestricted. Bazza, being a driving God, thinks now, there is no way he can lose his licence so he drives as fast as he can. Bazza, being a new driver in a **** box doesn't know many many different hazards on the road or his skill at driving. So instead of trying to encourage Bazza to slow down, you're going to encourage him to speed up? The only way this can possibly help is that now when Bazza hits the tree/tractor/oncoming vehicle/kerb/cyclist/walker, he will be dead, rather than severely wounded and therefore won't run up huge medical bills that the NHS will have to pay for.



I agree on this. I'd much rather have a Traffic cop on duty than a speed camera.

The sooner we set fire to Bazza, Shazza and his ****ing Corsa the better

 

[Scania]

Its a Shame the test lets Bazza drive in the first place tbh, trouble is, if he could not attain a higher standard, he'd go out & nick the Corsa anyway!

Hands up? Who was a Bazza then? - I know I was.

 

[DM]

Its a Shame the test lets Bazza drive in the first place tbh, trouble is, if he could not attain a higher standard, he'd go out & nick the Corsa anyway!

Hands up? Who was a Bazza then? - I know I was.

Me i was perfect at 17, great at 23, fantastic at 35 and a driving god now at 44!

 

[rypt]

Speeding is only the major cause of about 5% of accidents ...

And as for Bazza, if we had better training, better testing that was more thorough, longer, and checked attitude ...

 

[Kenai]

I'm sorry Bazza, you need to have under a 22% 'Attitude' rating to pass and you currently register at 47%, so i'm afraid to say you've not passed your driving test this time.