The future direction of BMW
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I've just read that instead of the N54 twin turbo in the 335i (or N55 single turbo now), they might introduce a 2 litre 4-pot with twin turbos instead.
Where did you read that?
You seem very obsessed with numbers! Less "pots", less CC's, less BHP's... the fact is that the car manufacturers will produce A) what people will buy and B) what they can get away with with regards to emissions.
Who knows these 4 cylinder engines may be smooth as silk yet you've already written them off because they lack two "pots".
I think PMKeates is right, this is an interesting time and could make huge changes to the way we live day to day.
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They dropped the V10 from the old M5 which had 507bhp and done 205mph. The new M5 has a V8 twin turbo, one of the things that made the V10 M5 was the sound of the thing it sounded great not sure about this new V8 though i personally think it's a step backwards, BMW was all about naturally aspirated engines now we are seeing turbo's which isn't what BMW are about.
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BMW isn't about turbocharging?
Even though they were one of the worlds first manufacturers to use turbocharging in performance cars way back in 1972?
And even though they quickly emerged as world leaders of diesel passenger cars using a range of critically acclaimed... turbocharged engines?
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i'm talking about the modern day not 40 years ago, they are known now for their nice naturally aspirated engines they haven't used turbo in decades the 1st new turbo was the 335i followed by the M5, and the diesels all diesel cars are turbo i wasn't refering to diesel in my post.
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[TW]Fox;18531444 said:
Any idea what the numbers are for the 330d in the same period?
Yes, between 2007/07 and 2010/59 there were 1363 330d M Sport Coupes registered.
And people think these cars are 'common'...
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[TW]Fox;18533956 said:
Interesting, certainly explains why I found it so diffcult to find one (330i) with the right spec. Would love to know how many exist with the same specification (give or take) as mine. 200 a year, they should market it as a limited edition!
Let me guess, double or even triple that figure (330d) for 320ds?
Of course its a step backwards..... However in the eyes of the hippies its a clear step forward!
Forced Induction is becoming the norm.... Soon we'll see the return of turbos in Ferraris
[TW]Fox;18531281 said:
Nicely illustrated. BMW's engine technology is markedly ahead. Look at the latest 535d (I know, a diesel, and therefore not strictly relevant): 299hp and 46.3 mpg combined, with emissions of 162g/km. Even if you hate diesels, you've got to admit that that is going some!
My point wasn't to demonstrate the advantages of diesel by the way, just saying how far ahead BMW seem to be of the pack when it comes to engine performance.
Because less is always bad!!!
I have no doubt that they will take 2.0l 4 pots turbos to the next level. Because, at the moment, let's face it, the figures for 2.0l 4 cyl turbos isn't great. But it's not only the smoothness of the engine i will miss, it's the noise and it's the feeling i get from having an engine that not many people have. Every man and their dog has a 2 litre 4 pot engine and i just liked having something different and better.
To be honest, i don't think it is a particularly "interesting" time - quite the opposite in fact, it's boring. It's a boring time with everyone soon to be driving tiny engined 3/4cyl diesels because nobody can afford anything more. Although it would obviously never happen, but an interesting time would be saying to car manufacturers "Guys, make what you like.". Now THAT would be interesting.
Instead, now, you've got a load of bean counters saying *puts on Clarkson nerd voice* "Oh no Mr BMW, your car produces 126g/km, which is in contrevention to article 6 of the Environmental Bill 2012." Which is just..... boring?
There is no 2.5 engine at the moment IIRC
. Do you mean x25i cars? If so, from what i've read there, nothing is concrete, but i think it's safe to say that there will only be around 2 6 cyl engines (if at all) in the F30 line up. I think there will be 1 3.0 6 cyl turbo (the 335i) with the M3 being a 3.2litre twin turbo.
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Its interesting if you work on these things mind as everything is getting pushed rather than facelift type evolution design - the extra R&D is also creating more jobs and requiring more prototypes. A recent one of ours... and yes thats does say 89g/km.
We already had a 'make what you like from Honda'. The NSX and the Insight at either end of the envelope. Neither sold well as the customers were not 'interested'. Same story with the 330i units.
Its just a shame less than 1% of people are actually into cars but thats why we will see things differently to the mass of drivers. I know thats obvious but worth highlighting for clarity of how many appliance drivers exist - its those type of driver who also tend to buy new aswell.
The 330i has already gone as a saloon or touring so if it does replace the 325i then that will be zero n/a 6 pot engines in the 3 series.
Exactly. It is only "interesting" if you interested on how little CO2 you can make an engine produce - something which I and the majority of people with a passion for cars couldn't give a crap about.
But i literally no idea why this car didn't sell well? Maybe it's just me being blinkered, but...i can't see anything wrong with it? Good MPG, low CO2, low tax, fast, good looking, well built, great sound.
I can't argue with this at all as it's true. However, because 99% of the public aren't into cars, they are also morons when it comes to buying cars and they think that the only way to get good MPGz is to buy a 1.6 diesel, even though they use it to pop to Tesco's and back twice a week.
You see it all the time on these forums when someone insists they must have a diesel because their mate told them they can get 65mpg with one and when you actually do the sums, it works out to only be a VERY small difference in a lot of cases. And then when you've shown them to be wrong about the costs they start jumping to things like “oh, i just like the torque of a diesel” or “oh, i don’t like visiting petrol stations” or “but the diesel is £20 a year to tax less” just to try and prove to themselves that they’ll actually be saving lots and lots of money. My guess is that a lot of buying a diesel is a subconscious “good feeling” about saving money, when in reality, a lot of people aren’t saving anything.
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I got another one the other day, a comment along the lines of 'people on the scheme are getting 60 from their Fiesta which makes you wonder if its worth it' when he asked about me still having my 'little Honda'. Bear in mind these are employees with £100 pcm all in Fiesta 1.6 Eco they only pay for fuel and then change every 3 months!
I just reply with that would involve me actually buying a Fiesta and then MPG is nothing compared to depreciation on something like that... even some of the chaps here cant work that out.
I just reply with that would involve me actually buying a Fiesta and then MPG is nothing compared to depreciation on something like that... even some of the chaps here cant work that out.
Europe ends up with a more efficient vehicle fleet? This is a good news story! Politicians in Europe are succeeding to gradually improve the efficiency of our vehicle fleet in such a way as to keep the car industry viable in the face of long term fuel price rises.
Thanks to this legislation, the European car companies and the European population are having and will continue to have a much better time as fuel prices rise.