Why do we still have rough places in the UK?

Bennefits=Government supplied debit card, only good for approved goods, the closest thing I can think of to just giving out rations whch tbh would be prohibitivly expensive, the debit card would make life hard for those who persue alcohol/drugs etc, it would not stop it but it would curb it.

The card would also need to be linked to gas and electricity accounts so people could not finance their habbit by buying other peoples in return for whatever they were after. This would also help by killing the dodgy loan companies that hawk arounmd low income areas.
 
People don't find any consequences for their actions, the government needs to be more brutal to these offenders, bring out the police with stun sticks and heavy fire arms!
 
trigger-happy said:
People don't find any consequences for their actions, the government needs to be more brutal to these offenders, bring out the police with stun sticks and heavy fire arms!
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An M-16 fully automatic weapon is considered a 'light firearm'

A 2 man M40 belt-fed machine gun is considered a 'medium firearm'

A 120mm howitzer capable of firing 45 miles is considered a 'heavy firearm'.


I like it!
 
cm1179 said:
err yes there is
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No there isn't. If someone wants to mangle themselves they can walk into Tesco and buy booze. If they want drugs they have to go through dodgy channels and speak criminals, who engage in other criminal activity too.

I'd make all drugs legal, and taxable, anyone game enough to sell them over the counter should be able to apply for a license to do so, like tobacconists and off-licenses.

One fell swoop you eliminate an income stream to gangs that run the streets. The same gangs that bring firearms in. The same gangs that force women into prostitution. I could go on

Of course it would not eliminate those things, it would make earning a huge profit more difficult. Apparently smoking and alcohol cost a fortune to the Government, you hardly ever hear of the money they make in taxation.

That or enforced sterilisation :D
 
britboy4321 said:
The reason they haven't been illegal for thousands of years is because distribution,technology and cultivation issues made it impossible for people to get, say, crack cocaine whether they wanted it or not. Mainly distribution issues.
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This is incorrect, crack is only a few decades old.

More harm is done by the drugs being illegal than the drugs themselves, this is proven without any doubt countless times on the forum, surprising that people still try to make the point that drugs are some how bad for society and thus prohibition is required.

Drugs are not to blame.
 
A lot of the UK's problems are driven by mental health, it is what drives peoples behavour. Remove the people with mental health issues and you will fix a lot of the UK's problems, good luck to anyone trying to find them all and their kids.
 
I would blame in no particular order. Television, poor education and the welfare state/culture. I would put most of my blame on the state, state television, state education and state "safety nets" this leads to lack of knowledge/skills and lack of responsibility which creates a culture of poverty. But prohibition itself contributes to the problem because people will take drugs and end up getting involved in the black market where you will meet rough people which in turn could make the person rough. But you get poor people that are not rough and you get rich people that are rough. So I think parents (or lack of) and their attitudes will be a primary factor in dictating the personality of their children.
 
d_brennen said:
No there isn't. If someone wants to mangle themselves they can walk into Tesco and buy booze. If they want drugs they have to go through dodgy channels and speak criminals, who engage in other criminal activity too.

I'd make all drugs legal, and taxable, anyone game enough to sell them over the counter should be able to apply for a license to do so, like tobacconists and off-licenses.

One fell swoop you eliminate an income stream to gangs that run the streets. The same gangs that bring firearms in. The same gangs that force women into prostitution. I could go on

Of course it would not eliminate those things, it would make earning a huge profit more difficult. Apparently smoking and alcohol cost a fortune to the Government, you hardly ever hear of the money they make in taxation.

That or enforced sterilisation :D
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so, how would you like your children hooked on heroin? one of the major plus points of it being illegal is its reduced availability to joe public. of course if someone really wanted to, they could probably get hold of something if they wanted but because it is not in their faces due to advertising (how would they outlaw advertising? easily - because there's nothing glamarous about watching someone snort a line or put a needle in their arm) i'm banging on about heroin here because it's possibly the worst drug there is and we are talking about legalising drugs. you legalise stuff and it's accessability to children is massively accelerated. imagine more discarded needles in public places, toddlers pulling a nice interesting looking powder out of mummys handbag etc you have a total society breakdown. upstanding citizens and good parents jeopardising their future because they end up hooked on over the counter drugs. i understand that these situations could still happen now (apart from getting them over the counter) but by legalising them, the chances of it happening are greatly increased. i certainly wouldn't want it happening to a child of mine. the world would be a far better place if there were no drugs full stop.
 
groen said:
This is incorrect, crack is only a few decades old.

More harm is done by the drugs being illegal than the drugs themselves, this is proven without any doubt countless times on the forum, surprising that people still try to make the point that drugs are some how bad for society and thus prohibition is required.

Drugs are not to blame.
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So - let me get this right. You suggest with regards to crack cocaine:

This forum's ramblings have proved that every single government in the entire world is wrong when it comes to crack cocaine .. and it actually isn't bad for society.


Is that your argument?
 
cm1179 said:
so, how would you like your children hooked on heroin? one of the major plus points of it being illegal is its reduced availability to joe public. of course if someone really wanted to, they could probably get hold of something if they wanted but because it is not in their faces due to advertising (how would they outlaw advertising? easily - because there's nothing glamarous about watching someone snort a line or put a needle in their arm) i'm banging on about heroin here because it's possibly the worst drug there is and we are talking about legalising drugs. you legalise stuff and it's accessability to children is massively accelerated. imagine more discarded needles in public places, toddlers pulling a nice interesting looking powder out of mummys handbag etc you have a total society breakdown. upstanding citizens and good parents jeopardising their future because they end up hooked on over the counter drugs. i understand that these situations could still happen now (apart from getting them over the counter) but by legalising them, the chances of it happening are greatly increased. i certainly wouldn't want it happening to a child of mine. the world would be a far better place if there were no drugs full stop.
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How would you like your kids smoking and drunk every evening? You wouldn't but if you're a good parent you try your best to raise them right. Isn't like kids don't have access to drugs through their peers is it? Do you think Steve the coke and heroin dealer asks for ID for proof of age? Or does he only sell his drugs in controlled quantities and quality?
 
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I'm confused. OP mentions substance abuse like it's a bad thing.

Substances were created so that normal folk can deal with the daily tedium of dealing with dummies.
 
d_brennen said:
How would you like your kids smoking and drunk every evening? You wouldn't but if you're a good parent you try your best to raise them right. Isn't like kids don't have access to drugs through their peers is it? Do you think Steve the coke and heroin dealer asks for ID for proof of age? Or does he only sell his drugs in controlled quantities and quality?
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you're not understanding what i'm saying at all. although with your 'a parent will do their best to raise them right' comment , you atleast understand that drugs are to be avoided.
 
I understand perfectly, but drugs are not the only problem causing "rough" areas. People involved in that business are certainly not good for communities. You don't seem to see that if someone wants drugs they can get them, thought peer groups etc. If I'm not mistaken th UK has had an anti drug policy for decades. Has that stopped abuse or driven abusers and suppliers underground?

Oh and I said good parent. There's plenty out there who I wouldn't trust with a paper bag let alone a child
 
i understand drugs are not the only factor in a deprived area, it's a combination of things. i am certain that legalising drugs wouldn't solve anything though.
 
There's both Catholic and Protestant areas I wouldn't go in Belfast for fear of being targeted because I'm Protestant, or mistaken by Protestants for being a Catholic. The estate I'm living in now is a Loyalist estate up the North coast and while some people would find driving into it quite intimidating with all the murals and things, I find it very comforting. However there's entire towns near the border I wouldn't go to, stop in, or hang about around unless I absolutely had to be there, stop there, or hang about around. Newry and Crossmaglen are two places along the border I avoid like the plague. Aughnacloy as well. Omagh and Enniskillen I'll go and hang about in if I have to, but Strabane is an absolute no. Londonderry I'm in frequently for work, but there's certain areas I don't go and wouldn't hang about or go into unless I absolutely had to.

Drugs and criminality are only part of the reason that there's certain areas I won't go. But I know a lot of where I feel comfortable going and not going are down to my own prejudices and a lot of my paranoia stems from growing up with parents working in the police and prison service here. Despite everyone thinking it's rosey over here now there's still a lot of paranoia about.
 
Drugs are not the problem, people in jail do drugs as the programme highlighted because its a way of life for them, they dont want to go and work for min wage, they want money and life but cant settle, easily in fights, no social skills, lack of education, its sad but the only people that can truly help them is themselves. The girl that was 19 and was suppose to attempted suicide 4 times a day, was just crying for help, attacking prison staff, mentally unstable because she was raped, so sad to watch.

Millions of people drink alcohol, take cocaine, smoke cannabis, inject heroin and life a crime free life, its when they become addicted and cant hold down a job, crime/prison is the path they will normally end up on.

Did anyone see the programmed before it about social housing and that lad that was a right **** claiming this and that but just causing trouble every where he goes,then the black guy who seemed genuine and wanted to work and cheap nice place to live.
 
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