Auschwitz

J-FRO said:
Ignore that guy, he's pretending to be ignorant.

And don't mean to be pedantic, but the gas didn't come out of the shower heads at Auschwitz. They dropped the gas capsules through ducts in the roof, according to Rudolf Hoss, and the cyanide from the Zyklon B then got them all within 20 minutes.
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From memory that was the early gas chambers which they have partially rebuilt and there are the hatches in the roof.

The later bigger ones at Birkenau had flase showers installed to fool the people that they were been disinfected but you are right, they still dropped the tablets in from the roof even with them.

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz.html
 
 
Greebo said:
From memory that was the early gas chambers which they have partially rebuilt and there are the hatches in the roof.

The later bigger ones at Birkenau had flase showers installed to fool the people that they were been disinfected but you are right, they still dropped the tablets in from the roof even with them.

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz.html
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Yeah Birkenau were the ones with the shower heads. There were two chambers and the remains are there where they got blown up by dynamite close to that big pond where they dumped all the ashes.

EDIT: I may be thinking of the crematory's in Birkenau after looking at that link. Were the gas chambers in the underground bit below?
 
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Bifröst said:
I probably won't be going there again, it was pretty boring the first time around, I can understand why its free, nothing to do but walk around and look at stuff. No shops or anything and they don't really look after the place very well.
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Im not going expecting to see a gift shop or have a nice brew......This comment would be more suited next to a review of Butlins not Auschwitz :confused:
 
groen said:
here is some more videos

I recommend listening to this guys analysis of some information in seven parts and the fifth part was removed from youtube but you can still watch it.


http://www.holocaustdenialvideos.com/one_third_of_the_holocaust.html (have not watched this yet)
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Why would anyone want to waste their time watching more of this denial filth? I presume that you’re another denier and only want to sully this thread with more of this rubbish.
 
Remind me do the chamber doors open from the inside or the outside i guess im now classified a anti semite for even thinking about it.
 
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I got back from Poland yesterday. We did the Auschwitz tour, parts of it were quite disturbing. i.e the scratches up the walls in the gas chamber, when I decided to get into one of the 'standing cells' where people will have died after being locked in, suffocating or whatever else.

Extremely worth getting a tour guide IMO
 
Makes you wonder how people could commit such atrocities. A curious thing indeed and more than a little disturbing to think that but 70 years ago, someone would have looked you in the eye seeing you as a sentinent human being and would have lead you to your death.


Off topic, but a wonderful theme with holocaust elements is "life is beautiful", a most wonderful film indeed.
 
kenmare said:
Off topic, but a wonderful theme with holocaust elements is "life is beautiful", a most wonderful film indeed.
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Even though it won three Oscars this one sailed past many people because it was a foreign movie. The DVD can be had for a fiver. It is very good and highly recommended. :)
 
kenmare said:
Off topic, but a wonderful theme with holocaust elements is "life is beautiful", a most wonderful film indeed.
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One of the greatest films ever made. The fact that I could cry with laughter at a scene set in a concentration camp shows how wonderful the writing and performing is, and doesn't detract from the horror that is equally present and tear-jerking.
 
Guest2 said:
I got back from Poland yesterday. We did the Auschwitz tour, parts of it were quite disturbing. i.e the scratches up the walls in the gas chamber, when I decided to get into one of the 'standing cells' where people will have died after being locked in, suffocating or whatever else.

Extremely worth getting a tour guide IMO
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Blimey. I only just about coped with the Imperial war museum's holocaust exhibition. I've been to Amsterdam about half a dozen times but have never built up the courage to visit the Anne Frank house.

I can only imagine what it'd be like visiting there. I read "Auschwitz: the nazi's & the final solution" by Lauwrence Rees a couple of years ago. Gave me nightmares for months afterwards.
 
footman said:
How on earth did you manage to get to Yad Vashem while in the Army?

IIRC the last exhibit there is a single childs shoe softly illuminated in a glass case. Real choker.
Some estimates put the number of children murdered as high as 1.5 million.
They came from many ethnicities and included children who had been institutionalised for various reasons.
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I spent 6 months serving with the Multinational Force of Observers (MFO) in Sinai. We had most weekends off and either went to Cairo or Tel Aviv mostly but we travelled all over both countries whilst there. That was almost 20 years ago now but the memories are still there.
 
Guest2 said:
I got back from Poland yesterday. We did the Auschwitz tour, parts of it were quite disturbing. i.e the scratches up the walls in the gas chamber, when I decided to get into one of the 'standing cells' where people will have died after being locked in, suffocating or whatever else.

Extremely worth getting a tour guide IMO
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I was under the impression that the Nazis destroyed the original gas chambers before the Russians liberated the camp and were rebuilt afterwards.

zom247 said:
I spent 6 months serving with the Multinational Force of Observers (MFO) in Sinai. We had most weekends off and either went to Cairo or Tel Aviv mostly but we travelled all over both countries whilst there. That was almost 20 years ago now but the memories are still there.
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Interesting. I bet you visited such jewels of the desert as Jebel Libni, Bir el-Thamada and Bir Gafgafa :eek:
 
footman said:
I was under the impression that the Nazis destroyed the original gas chambers before the Russians liberated the camp and were rebuilt afterwards.
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auschwitz II (birkenau) was the main death camp where most of the chambers were that were bombed. auschwitz I where the original gas chamber exists was used as a testing gas chamber and 'only' killed a few thousand. This chamber did not have shower heads as the others did

jimbob27 - I have had quite brutal nightmares for the past 2 days. These might be due to my body clock being messed up though too. (going to bed at 6.30am 2 nights then getting up at 5am on another)

This site has some useful info

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/gas_chambers_auschwitz.html

I dont understand how some believe that these camps were not actually death camps at all and were family camps for leisure. How do 6 million jews just disappear in a few years?

What got me were the sleeping conditions and weather. Our guide told us that one barracks (actually a stable) was designed for 52 horses. It actually held between 400 and 1000 people at a time (usually around 800) on wooden bunkbeds that 10 people would sleep in at once. They wernt allowed out of these at night, even to the toilet.

Then theres the fact that winters would reach -38c and people would eat food like rotten turnip soup and mouldy bread. No wonder most only survived a year or 2 max. Apparently everyone at auschwitz I dreaded going to birkenau

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Gas Chamber at Auschwitz I
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Toilets at Auschwitz II (birkenau)
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footman said:
I was under the impression that the Nazis destroyed the original gas chambers before the Russians liberated the camp and were rebuilt afterwards.
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Auschwitz (1) reconstructed:

After its use as a gas chamber the SS used the building as an execution site. Following completion of the four large crematories at Birkenau the gas chamber was used for other purposes, and in 1944 it was converted into an air-raid bunker.

After the liberation of Auschwitz the building was partly re-constructed into its original state. So today's visitor sees a re-construction with original parts.
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Auschwitz (2) -Birkenau were destroyed:

As already mentioned, Bunker 2 was reactivated for the "Hungarian Jews Action", and finally demolished.

Crematory IV was set on fire by its Sonderkommando during the uprising on 7 October 1944, and thereafter was not longer utilisable.

Crematories II and III were blown up by the SS on 20 January 1945.

Crematory V was blown up as the last one 26 January 1945, just before the liberation of Auschwitz.
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Source
 
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