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Largely speaking, logistics.
We have the logistics in place to fly a Tornado from Marham, and refuel it 3 times en route to and from Libya, and can do that today.
To fly from Sicily say, we'd have to move the Tornados, their ground support crew, weapons, ammunition, spare parts, and a whole host of other vehicles - all of which takes time.
It may be worth a couple of days of long-range strikes (plus good practice for the crews of doing such missions) to see if Gaddafi stops the offensive, rather than incur the large expense of moving the whole support systems for the Tornado a load closer to Libya.
Food for thought: I wonder how many Storm Shadow's a Vulcan could carry in her internal bomb bay?
There will be only one outcome to all this; inquiry, inquiry, inquiry with no other real outcome other than we ended up achieving what we aimed to do; secure our slice of the resources. Also we will see innocent people die ( 
) and Michael Moore makes another film.
We haven't really come a long way in the past hundred or so years. I don't expect us to prgoress any time in the future either.
) and Michael Moore makes another film.We haven't really come a long way in the past hundred or so years. I don't expect us to prgoress any time in the future either.
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its not a civil war (yet)
did you not follow the news for the last month?
only a few weeks ago these people were protesters - all across Libya, its only after being harsly slapped by gaddafi that its developed into the current situation
the east had the benefit of being 200 miles from the government when it kicked off, and so could develop into a rebel group, and I suspect some security forces thought it was all over for the current govt and so joined them
I imagine the anti-gadaffi civilians in Tripoli dont fancy their chances of protesting against him in the streets at the moment
with these revolutions we are seeing, I think normal people can get pretty scared and so "be on" the side of whoever is in charge at the time
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Food for thought: I wonder how many Storm Shadow's a Vulcan could carry in her internal bomb bay?
Forget that, in the movies we would have already modified and flight tested a Handley Page Victor
Largely speaking, logistics.
We have the logistics in place to fly a Tornado from Marham, and refuel it 3 times en route to and from Libya, and can do that today.
To fly from Sicily say, we'd have to move the Tornados, their ground support crew, weapons, ammunition, spare parts, and a whole host of other vehicles - all of which takes time.
It may be worth a couple of days of long-range strikes (plus good practice for the crews of doing such missions) to see if Gaddafi stops the offensive, rather than incur the large expense of moving the whole support systems for the Tornado a load closer to Libya.
Food for thought: I wonder how many Storm Shadow's a Vulcan could carry in her internal bomb bay?
Well surely the cost of fuel must be pretty similar to the cost of a few ferry flights? I suppose the associated costs of moving extra personnel too would add up.
Vulcans would take a fair few I reckon!
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ha the RAF could hire out XH558 for Black Buck 8
this is my problem with the whole thing
the arab league whine and wring their hands saying please do something, the west must do it...then when we do they whine and wring their hands saying, oh but you are doing it wrong.
if the arab league wanted a no fly zone they should have enforced it themselves..instead they use the west to their dirty work and carry the risk and the consequences...so now the west looks bad again and they can just say it had nothing to do with them...cowardly and sly
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Food for thought: I wonder how many Storm Shadow's a Vulcan could carry in her internal bomb bay?
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Did you? After a few days protestors had rifles and RPG's. Remember what they said back at the beginning. The tribe in the east is different to Ghadaffis and the west part of Libya and there was no love lost. Army deserters opening up munition strores. Then a couple of planes fly to Malta. A rebel plane got shot down at the week-end. Clashes all over the place.
If that is not a civil war what do you call it - a pub brawl?
A funny thing happens when outsiders start to attack a country, the people start to close round the leader, even if they were non-committed before.
We have seen it in this country when Maggie had the lowest appoval rating of any modern PM then the Falklands happened and Maggie holds a 'khaki election' and gets back in on a wave of nationalistic sentiment.
If you're after an answer:
XM607 carried 21 x 1000lb bombs to the Falklands.
Storm Shadow weighs in at 2,866lb.
So a Vulcan should be able to carry 7 of them.
I'm sure there's a Vulcan kicking around in the UK somewhere... now where did we put it?
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Whilst that would be nice, it would take a small fortune to make that happen!
It would be cheaper to buy a bomber from another country.
It would be cheaper to buy a bomber from another country.
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* easier, steal
According to Wiki a Tomahawk missle costs $756,000, according to the news we and the Americans fired 120 of the things on the first day of the 'No Fly Zone' total cost to British and US tax payers $90720000 and thats just those missiles on that day.
This is yet another ill advised war that we have no hope of 'winning' what ever that may mean and at a time of sweeping cuts to public expenditure wastes huge amounts of cash we just don't have.
Next time can we please just join the Germans wringing our hands on the fence?
This is yet another ill advised war that we have no hope of 'winning' what ever that may mean and at a time of sweeping cuts to public expenditure wastes huge amounts of cash we just don't have.
Next time can we please just join the Germans wringing our hands on the fence?
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Anyone up for a trip to the Nevada desert?....
Before you get too excited you do know how many of those we fired don't you?
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We should leave them all to get on with it. Once the oil has run out no one will care about them anyway.
It is quite smart though by our government - sell them a load of military equipment, blow it up, sell them more equipment.
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