38% of Americans believe tsunami was sent by God

[SpiritOfTheAge]

There is nothing written on the net about me either, I exist. Why would someone invent an imaginary prophet for funzies when they could just write about some guy who actually existed. If he was made up don't you think the people at the time would have pointed all this out


If God did everything there would be no free will, just because a God is supposedly capable of action doesn't mean every event is attributable to a God.

So the ocean has free will?, the earths plates have free will?, or did God set this all in motion, knowing the outcome of it all?

 

[RomanNose]

The problem is that you are no less ignorant than those you are railing against frankly.

Attributing conservative evangelical nonsense to religion in general.

Laughable.

Is it really though? According to Bliss institute of Akron ( March 2004) Evangelicals account for 26.3% of the U.S population.
(PDF HERE)
It's not that low, also Castiel you should have a look at the laws regarding who cain hold power in some of the states, Various states do not allow atheists in power
here.
I admit I picked bad examples, but what about the catholic effort to ban the use of condoms? Thereby making millions of people die of preventable deaths from aids.

 

[bitslice]

Right, I guess you are ignorant to the effects of Religion

I've noticed that states without a historical culture of Christianity sometimes lack the moral will to prevent the genocide of their own people. Pol Pot etc.

conclusion, mad people are mad, therefore attributing anything to a belief in fairies is unsound.

or did God set this all in motion, knowing the outcome of it all?

As I understand their beliefs, yes.
They predict an apocalypse, so at some point their God intervenes anyway.

but what about the catholic effort to ban the use of condoms? Thereby making millions of people die of preventable deaths from aids.

a position now reversed I believe

Whole thing was rubbish anyway, nobody is forcing them to have sex with an infected black girl, Catholics have the right to suggest you save it for marriage and the right to suggest that blacks would stop getting infected if they stopped using prostitutes. It wouldn't be so bad if the men actually wanted to use condoms in the first place, but they don't.
Darwins law in action IMO.

 

[Castiel]

Is it really though? According to Bliss institute of Akron ( March 2004) Evangelicals account for 26.3% of the U.S population.
(PDF HERE)
It's not that low, also Castiel you should have a look at the laws regarding who cain hold power in some of the states, Various states do not allow atheists in power
here.
I admit I picked bad examples, but what about the catholic effort to ban the use of condoms? Thereby making millions of people die of preventable deaths from aids.

Not all Evangelicals are the same, interpretations and beliefs differ from congregation to congregation usually imposed by their Pastor who has about as much idea about Christianity as you do.

Secondly, silly laws abound everywhere. Show me one case of them being applied in a court in those States?

Lastly. The Vatican was not the cause of Aids or the deaths from Aids. If those people actually followed the Vatican's advice about abstention then they would not have contracted the virus in the first place. (at least from sex anyway, eating infected primates is another issue).

 

[Hellsmk2]

There is nothing written on the net about me either, I exist. Why would someone invent an imaginary prophet for funzies when they could just write about some guy who actually existed. If he was made up don't you think the people at the time would have pointed all this out

There's more than enough records from those periods that you'd expect someone like Jesus to at least get a footnote somewhere. One doesn't exist.

 

[Castiel]

There's more than enough records from those periods that you'd expect someone like Jesus to at least get a footnote somewhere. One doesn't exist.

Except there is not. Records from this era are very rare, even things like the Quirinius Census are based on Josephus and not any actual document.

There are inscriptions that mention the Census when Quirinus became Legate of Syria like the Lapis Venetus, but records like this are few and far between and dates are questionable.

The only record of Pontius Pilate, who would have been, as Prefect of Judea, an important figure at the time is from the Pilate Stone which was only discovered in 1961. There is no other universally accepted archaeological evidence of him.

So why would there be records surviving telling of an errant rabbi who was crucified as a common criminal if there are none of the Prefect of Judea.

I don't think people appreciate just how long 2000 years is in terms of finding written evidence of events and people. In Rome you had to be pretty important to get your name in anything, least of all as part of an inscription that survives to this day.

 

[RDM]

It always saddens me when people attribute horrible things like that to God

To be fair, he does have form especially when it comes to floods...

 

[RomanNose]

Not all Evangelicals are the same, interpretations and beliefs differ from congregation to congregation usually imposed by their Pastor who has about as much idea about Christianity as you do.

Secondly, silly laws abound everywhere. Show me one case of them being applied in a court in those States?

Lastly. The Vatican was not the cause of Aids or the deaths from Aids. If those people actually followed the Vatican's advice about abstention then they would not have contracted the virus in the first place. (at least from sex anyway, eating infected primates is another issue).

Yes they differ from Church to church etc.. But more importantly 4/10 Americans are young earth creationists, which says enough that this kind of belief is more common than even I expected.
Here

Secondly, There have been no cases of this actually applying in the 20th Century but definitely some in the 19th Century. Various other discrimination is in place such as the the scouts etc.. But perhaps the biggest harm of religion is that it divides families.

Sadly not all words get correctly filtered down to these people, many of them will not follow abstinence however will not use protection. A lot of deaths still could have been prevented, regardless of whether the Vatican intended it or not they should have thought about the consequences.Again it might be with a non catholic partner that is becoming the victim not necessarily someone who has faith.


Anyhow, Religion does not agree with science whatever way you put it.A supernatural god does not agree with any part of science no matter what you believe.
God is always going to be past our understanding of science, thereby flawed.

 

[mrbios]

Do all die hard christians believe that the human race began with adam and eve? because if they do they're believing that we are all a result of multiple counts of incest.

 

[mattc_uk]

Religion does not agree with science... but science seems to be getting more 'out of this world' than ever. If it wasn't for the crazy stories in the bible that just dont add up... I would believe in a higher power. Its all beyond our minds IMO.. I find it hilarious how so many of us are sure they know how it all works and they are certain that god either exists or doesn't.... At the end of the day WE ARE FUTILE.... We do not understand enough to be sure of anything so lets stop having wars over it and enjoy the beauty around us

Matt

 

[Castiel]

Yes they differ from Church to church etc.. But more importantly 4/10 Americans are young earth creationists, which says enough that this kind of belief is more common than even I expected.
Here

Polls with limited samples aside for one moment, What does this actually prove though, that Americans are ill-educated, bombarded by nonsense evangelical media channels and in some cases plain stupidity. It says little about Mainstream religion and more about American society.

Secondly, There have been no cases of this actually applying in the 20th Century but definitely some in the 19th Century. Various other discrimination is in place such as the the scouts etc.. But perhaps the biggest harm of religion is that it divides families.

You will have to supply evidence and sources for this, anecdotal evidence is pretty useless.

Sadly not all words get correctly filtered down to these people, many of them will not follow abstinence however will not use protection. A lot of deaths still could have been prevented, regardless of whether the Vatican intended it or not they should have thought about the consequences.Again it might be with a non catholic partner that is becoming the victim not necessarily someone who has faith.

So, what you are saying is that they heard the "dont use Condoms" which was never said quite that way, but not the "abstinence is the way to go" which is how it was put?

They preached Abstinence instead of contraception. To hear one they must hear the other.

Aids in Africa is not the fault of Catholicism.

Anyhow, Religion does not agree with science whatever way you put it.A supernatural god does not agree with any part of science no matter what you believe.
God is always going to be past our understanding of science, thereby flawed.

They are two separate things, Science has got nothing to say about God or Spirituality, it is completely agnostic, not atheist like some like to believe.

The only flawed thing here is your argument.

 

[*Moangroan*]

To be fair surveys are not really representative of what people think.

Lets be honest surveys are a bit retarded and the information extrapolated is also like my farts ....it stinks.