Triploi rape victim on Skynews

arknor · 26 Mar 2011 at 20:55

Immsy said:
We havent gone over there because of rape, we have gone over to protect civilians as this is how they are treated.

do you really think the rebels will be any better ... watch out for the mass graves and rape victims from people who suported gaddafi

Jakeee · 26 Mar 2011 at 21:03

dowie said:
I wonder if we'll hear about her again

Personally I'd say that footage might have just saved her life, there is too much publicity now.

dowie · 26 Mar 2011 at 21:38

Jakeee said:
Personally I'd say that footage might have just saved her life, there is too much publicity now.

You'd hope so - but you never really know with this regime - they know there isn't really any turning back now, they've already been shooting civilians quite blatantly and they haven't have any problems in the past with executing political prisoners. I really hope the footage has saved her, but I'd still be rather worried.

Sonea Fifer · 26 Mar 2011 at 22:01

mmj_uk said:
US soldiers have been raping Iraqi women

And you have proof of this do you?

Jakeee said:
Personally I'd say that footage might have just saved her life, there is too much publicity now.

Sorry -as much as I really want to, I'm afraid I cant agree with your statement. If anything I think the worst has already happened to this poor woman.

RIP

We can only hope the rest of the "civilised" world views footage such as this and can somehow accept that we all really do need to act now to prevent further atrocities occurring. Or is it just me that thinks no matter what colour you are, no matter what religion you are, no matter what God you worship or what country you were born in there's no excuse for a man to physically force himself upon a woman and there's no excuse for a leader (democratic or otherwise) to commit such acts on his own people!

Mr Krugga · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:00

Sonea Fifer said:
And you have proof of this do you?

He doesn't need to, it's been widely publicised by both Western and Eastern media at the time, it's been a subject of discussion by the US army and Congress. There's also some footage that you likely would not want to see.

Sorry -as much as I really want to, I'm afraid I cant agree with your statement. If anything I think the worst has already happened to this poor woman.

RIP

Now you're just talking out of your arse. You can't possibly kmow what happened to her and you can't be certain that she's dead by now. This is highly unlikely since Western media is so interested in this case now.

there's no excuse for a leader (democratic or otherwise) to commit such acts on his own people!

Are you saying that Col. Gaddafi personally raped this woman (and other women for that matter)? :confused:

dowie · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:13

Mr Krugga said:
He doesn't need to, it's been widely publicised by both Western and Eastern media at the time, it's been a subject of discussion by the US army and Congress. There's also some footage that you likely would not want to see.

Slightly different in that the soldiers then get investigated/charged and the woman making the allegations isn't dragged off in front of reporters whilst various henchmen assault reporters, draw a revolver and some waitresses pull a bread knife out and try to throw a coat over her.

No one knows whats happened to her and to assume she is safe simply because western media have filmed her is still just a hopeful assumption.

TigerUK · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:19

powelly2010 said:
got a link to that women? fancy a read for the lulz

Me too, btw just becaus ethey're unfired rounds does not mean this is dodgy, it could be that the americans raided her house and dropped some unfired rounds.. where does she get US bullets from anyway?

Andr3w · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:31

Op link doesn't work ?

Pawnless Endgame · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:37

I just tried the OP's link now and it's working fine.

Klo · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:38

Stolly said:
Be quiet. You don't know right from wrong.

You are learning.

Jakeee · 26 Mar 2011 at 23:56

Sonea Fifer said:
Sorry -as much as I really want to, I'm afraid I cant agree with your statement. If anything I think the worst has already happened to this poor woman.

RIP !

I don't think you understand the power of the media, you'll be surprised the impact that footage will have across the world with the UN and government officials.

Angilion · 27 Mar 2011 at 00:18

do_ron_ron said:
In conflicts, anywhere, woman get raped, brutalised and worse. It is the norm. Give a guy a rifle with a life or death threat and a lot will use that power.

Every country's troops have done it, without exception.

Women suffer more than men in conflicts.

Yes, it's always women who are forced to fight and are the first targets for any attackers.

No, wait, that's men.

The suffering of women is seen as being far more important than the suffering of men, but that's a very different thing. So, for example, you got stories in the mainstream press about the Taliban rule of Afghanistan in which the only mention of the men killed was in the context of it being an example of how women are victims of war - they lost their husbands/sons/etc. The men's lives were seen as having no value in themselves, only whatever value they had to a woman and that was a normal, mainstream view.

Think that way and you're bound to think that women suffer more than men and that most or all men are abusers of women held in check only by laws...which is the whole point of such propaganda.

Castiel · 27 Mar 2011 at 00:22

do_ron_ron said:
In conflicts, anywhere, woman get raped, brutalised and worse. It is the norm. Give a guy a rifle with a life or death threat and a lot will use that power.

Every country's troops have done it, without exception.

Women suffer more than men in conflicts.

Every countries troops?

I don't recall anyone brutalising a raping women in 18 years of being in the Royal Marines. We all had rifles though......

drunkenmaster · 27 Mar 2011 at 00:33

Jesus, some people really up their own behinds in here.

Firstly no, we don't know she was raped, ever seen a female terrorist, suicide bomber or martyr? Its not men only as the western world really seems to believe, women can believe in their cause just as strongly as men AND be willing to die for it.

She could have been brutally raped by a battalion of men, or from one bad egg, or under the orders of Gaddafi, or even by rebels posing as Gaddafi's men just so she'd be believable when she went with her "true" story to the press. Unfortunately a HUGE part of war, and conflict, is propaganda, real, faked, a complete lie, all of them.

THen lets get this straight, IF it happened, thats kind of what you'll get, with the best intentioned leader in the world, with his best men handling the hiring of everyone everywhere in the government, bad people are essentially hiding everywhere.

Did every person that cabbie in the UK drove around get raped and murdered? Did no one know for years about one murder, did his bosses willingly hire a murderer. This is life, bad people do bad things, no matter how hard you try you can not stop bad people doing bad things. Maybe Gaddafi personally ordered the rape, the vastly vastly more probable scenario is some people of questionable character joined the army as an excuse to do bad things, and did some bad things, again this is common in basically in most armies in the world.

Are all soldiers evil, not even close, are some, damn right, just as some accountants are, some police are, some butchers are and some florists are. The difference is military/police given the power to detain people legally and lock people up are in a far stronger position to take advantage.

Not a single person in this thread knows what happened to this woman, her being brutally raped is NOT an excuse to go to war, genocide, is a good reason, which isn't even a slightly accurate description for whats going on in Libya. Bombing people and killing dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of civilians is a good response to a woman being raped, what god damned planet are you people living on, seriously.

Gaddafi is in power, in his country and as I understand it, not even close to the majority of the country wants him out of power. Till "the people" rather than "some of the people" want him out, we shouldn't be there.

matt0r · 27 Mar 2011 at 00:40

Castiel said:
Every countries troops?

I don't recall anyone brutalising a raping women in 18 years of being in the Royal Marines. We all had rifles though......

I think if i had a rifle, id put the safety on and put it down because im not a marine, but during those brief seconds of holding it i doubt my views on rape would change.

Castiel · 27 Mar 2011 at 00:42

matt0r said:
I think if i had a rifle, id put the safety on and put it down because im not a marine, but during those brief seconds of holding it i doubt my views on rape would change.

Quite.

The Running Man · 27 Mar 2011 at 12:14

Castiel said:
Every countries troops?

I don't recall anyone brutalising a raping women in 18 years of being in the Royal Marines. We all had rifles though......

Most countries, i mean, technically not rape but arent some US soldiers about to stand trial for forming 'death' squads who roved around Afganistan murdering innocent Afganis and dressing the situation up to make it look as though they had some how resisted?

Are we going to carpet bomb Obama now?

Did the soviets in the 2nd ww not pillage and rape germany as they advanced? yet i didnt see us rushing to stop them?

Lets not pretend that we dont at least rub shoulders with countries who are obviously guilty of such actions and by abstaining from taking action against them, and further by working with them are tacitly 'okaying' their actions by a lack of resistance to them?

arknor · 27 Mar 2011 at 12:32

drunkenmaster said:
Jesus, some people really up their own behinds in here.

Firstly no, we don't know she was raped, ever seen a female terrorist, suicide bomber or martyr? Its not men only as the western world really seems to believe, women can believe in their cause just as strongly as men AND be willing to die for it.

She could have been brutally raped by a battalion of men, or from one bad egg, or under the orders of Gaddafi, or even by rebels posing as Gaddafi's men just so she'd be believable when she went with her "true" story to the press. Unfortunately a HUGE part of war, and conflict, is propaganda, real, faked, a complete lie, all of them.

THen lets get this straight, IF it happened, thats kind of what you'll get, with the best intentioned leader in the world, with his best men handling the hiring of everyone everywhere in the government, bad people are essentially hiding everywhere.

Did every person that cabbie in the UK drove around get raped and murdered? Did no one know for years about one murder, did his bosses willingly hire a murderer. This is life, bad people do bad things, no matter how hard you try you can not stop bad people doing bad things. Maybe Gaddafi personally ordered the rape, the vastly vastly more probable scenario is some people of questionable character joined the army as an excuse to do bad things, and did some bad things, again this is common in basically in most armies in the world.

Are all soldiers evil, not even close, are some, damn right, just as some accountants are, some police are, some butchers are and some florists are. The difference is military/police given the power to detain people legally and lock people up are in a far stronger position to take advantage.

Not a single person in this thread knows what happened to this woman, her being brutally raped is NOT an excuse to go to war, genocide, is a good reason, which isn't even a slightly accurate description for whats going on in Libya. Bombing people and killing dozens, hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of civilians is a good response to a woman being raped, what god damned planet are you people living on, seriously.

Gaddafi is in power, in his country and as I understand it, not even close to the majority of the country wants him out of power. Till "the people" rather than "some of the people" want him out, we shouldn't be there.

hear hear!

people are ridiculous justifying the invasion now because some woman may have been raped, do these people not read the news? do you know how many female USA soldiers were raped by male USA soldiers in afghanistan and iraq?

iamTakeo · 27 Mar 2011 at 13:51

"We are not the world police"
Are you not a member of this world?

Wouldn't you agree that every individual has equal moral worth and has basic rights, this woman is clearly being denied those rights. Is there a difference in the moral worth of a British woman or a Libyan woman? No, so as human individuals we should all do our part to protect individuals regardless of age, ethnicity, gender, nationality and religion.

Does a liberal individual have the right to tell a non-liberal what to do? No - there will always be diversity, but when anybody infringes on the rights or liberties of others we must protect those at risk.

arknor · 27 Mar 2011 at 13:57

denied what rights? you have no idea what really happened or why she acted like she did, maybe really her husband or someone died fighting the rebels and she wasnt in a proper frame of mind.

you have no idea and your already forming an execution squad