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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
    601
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rypt said:
Not ironic at all, given they were on our side once before, when we were helping Afghans vs the Russians
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The groups which eventually formed what we call al-Qaeda were never on "our" side per se. It was that the Russians were the greater threat to them at the time and we provided them with support to weaken the Russians because we were opposed to the USSR. The groups were more worried about protecting their religion and their way of life against what they saw as foreign threats and influences. Once the Russians were defeated they turned their attentions to next big threat they saw.

If the article is true it indicates a number of the rebel fighters have fought against us in Iraq and Afghanistan. TBH,I really hope it is not true.
 
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rypt said:
Not ironic at all, given they were on our side once before, when we were helping Afghans vs the Russians
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yea where do you think all the taliban weapons came from good old uncle sam, who do you think trained bin laden? the good old cia.

history will repeat itself here , gaddafi hasnt been a threat for a very long time it apears hes been behaving for atleast the last few years(just like saddam had been little trouble and wasnt really building these WMDS as claimed), you know where you are with gaddafi you dont know what kind of poop storm could end up brewing in libya if he goes.

libya might not have been behind the locerbie bombings either they had to admit it or face un sanctions at the time so they were pretty much blackmailed.

iran were widely believed to be the real people behind lockerbie
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/scotland/article6797773.ece
Robert Baer, a retired senior CIA agent who claims that Iran was behind the attack, has alleged that the Americans were wary of pursuing the country in case it disrupted oil supplies and damaged the economy.
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its always about oil ;)
 
The French until recently were trying to sell Libya Rafale fighters:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...79a7Post:c96e7fc8-b759-4b24-88f2-47c39f569f4d

http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/07/23/dassault-rafale-libya-idINLDE66M04H20100723

It looks like the EU has been selling a decent amount of weaponary to the Libyan armed forces in the last few years:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/01/eu-arms-exports-libya

Italy,France and the UK sold the most weapons in the EU to Libya.

AFAIK,Gadaffi has been a despot and a tyrant for over 40 years and we still were selling weapons to him.
 
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CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The French until recently were trying to sell Libya Rafale fighters:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blog...79a7Post:c96e7fc8-b759-4b24-88f2-47c39f569f4d

http://in.reuters.com/article/2010/07/23/dassault-rafale-libya-idINLDE66M04H20100723

It looks like the EU has been selling a decent amount of weaponary to the Libyan armed forces in the last few years:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/01/eu-arms-exports-libya

Italy,France and the UK sold the most weapons in the EU to Libya.

AFAIK,Gadaffi has been a despot and a tyrant for over 40 years and we still were selling weapons to him.
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maybe he stopped buying and they need a new buyer, nothing like smashing an army and sending them a mail order catalogue to get the warehouses empty :D
 
arknor said:
maybe he stopped buying and they need a new buyer, nothing like smashing an army and sending them a mail order catalogue to get the warehouses empty :D
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They even flew a few Rafales over for an evaluation! Just a year or two later the very same aircraft is bombing their country in its first combat operation AFAIK.

The irony!
 
Yes, we'll sell you our old military hardware. And no, before you ask, no you're not allowed to use it. If you try, we'll gang up on you and literally blow the turrets of. And there ain't no refunds either.

I resolutely stand by our shady business practices.

We don't permit their armed forces to kill civilian who are clearly armed- yet we think nothing of killing 4 men in a tank from 20,000 feet knowing that they are utterly defenceless against our airstrikes.

If you are employed and in a tank your life is meaningless to western governments. If you run around firing wildly into the air with an AK47 with a will to overthrow a western legitimized leader then clearly your life is much more precious?

When this conflict finishes I wonder- will there be more casualties caused by airstrikes on the Libya army or of rebels killed by the Libyan army?
 
ubersonic said:
The Rafale saw action in Afghanistan, its the French equivalent of the Eurofighter.
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She didn't see any action at first- as quite like the Eurofighter, the F1 lacked air-ground capabilities. But I think they were rapidly upgraded - but they weren't as good as they are now (i.e., needed a laser designator on another plane!). This is the first time the Rafale has been proper combat tested tbh.
 
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arknor said:
maybe he stopped buying and they need a new buyer, nothing like smashing an army and sending them a mail order catalogue to get the warehouses empty :D
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Yeah Bill Hicks nailed it several invasions/wars back:

Eisenhower warned against the military industrial complex and fighting wars for economic gain/profit.
 
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gettothechopper said:
the guy in that interview (presedent of chad) is a friend of Gaddaffi who thinks all the rebels are just Al Qaeda terrorists

"Deby denied assertions that mercenaries had been recruited in Chad to fight for Gaddafi, though some of the several thousand Chad nationals in Libya may have joined the fight "on their own".

lol
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The rebel leader has admitted their working with Al Qaeda

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
 
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