All cars, then...?
Lift off oversteer
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All cars, then...?
I fail to see how. Atleast if the clutch is in you've got drive helping you to pull you round the corner.
Loos is common with the 306 aswell, personally I just make sure I give it plenty of boot to help pull me round
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A silly mistake - not a fatal or dangerous mistake
How much is quite a bit?
One of my 19's is lowered and pretty is hard all round to be honest. I don't get it skipping out much at all it feels like its on rails, more just damn unconfortable and rattly on bad roads.
I fail to see how. Atleast if the clutch is in you've got drive helping you to pull you round the corner.
Loos is common with the 306 aswell, personally I just make sure I give it plenty of boot to help pull me round
Yes, which when combined with too much steering correction will cause it to rotate violently in the other direction. You also have the retardation which caused the problem in the first place still there. If you have no forces acting on the front wheels then you're in a pretty safe position.
The 306 in standard form with good rear beam mount bushes and shocks/springs won't oversteer very easily.
The rear will squat down and take a slight oversteer stance under heavy cornering while maintaining power but won't break away (Only noticable on track).
You would have to be violent in your inputs and provoke it to get it to oversteer in my experience.
The rear will squat down and take a slight oversteer stance under heavy cornering while maintaining power but won't break away (Only noticable on track).
You would have to be violent in your inputs and provoke it to get it to oversteer in my experience.
You are completely wrong, dumping the clutch and removing all power/resistance on the front wheels during a slide will likely result in a spin.
The best option is to bury the throttle, this is widely accepted and proven. You are probably better off doing nothing at all than hitting the clutch.
What are you smoking? The problem is caused by the retardation of the front wheels, dip the clutch and you remove that force, hence remove the problem. Mashing the throttle will of course remove the oversteer, too much though and you'll snap directly to understeer, and do it with opposite lock on and you'll be flung the other direction most likely into a fishtail that is more difficult to control than the first slide.
I can't imagine how it would cause a spin, in fact de-clutching is an essential step when doing extreme angle drift entries in order to prevent the car from spinning out. I know that is not FWD but in both cases the car will essentially be 0WD. Never tried anything like that though, i'll do some simulations and see how it goes.
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Oh and what causes that weight transfer?
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It is, of course. All I'm saying is that dipping the clutch is better than doing nothing at all, both of which are a million times better than hitting the brake.
Ultimately, you should just learn to drive properly. I've never experienced 'LOO' despite having driven like a collosal idiot. Berger is saying you'd need to drive like a total berk even in a car with a reputation for such things.
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I'll stand by the "mashing" comment, some wheelspin is a good thing here as it gives you some time to apply opposite lock and get things straight again before the front end grips fully.
I know what you're saying, but once you're already sliding, the weight is already off the rear wheels and it is far too late to be correcting the problem here
The only way you're going to get weight back on the rear of the car is to bury the throttle
I know what you're saying, but once you're already sliding, the weight is already off the rear wheels and it is far too late to be correcting the problem here
The only way you're going to get weight back on the rear of the car is to bury the throttle
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The imbalance is caused by the engine applying a brake to the front wheels. If you dip the clutch the car will return to neutral, effectively freewheeling, ideally with all wheels returning to road speed and the regaining of directional control.
Actually the problem isn't weight transfer, its weight transfer under engine breaking.
Hence the name LIFT OFF OVERSTEER
What occurs when you lift off? Engine breaking.
If you lift off the front wheels attempt to slow the car down, pushing the force (weight) to the front of the the car. This decreases the weight placed on the back which if your turning a corner means oversteer.
If you push the clutch down you remove the engine breaking and therefore prevent LOOS. If you oversteer with the clutch down you're either going way too fast for the corner anyway or you were too late.
Hence the name LIFT OFF OVERSTEER
What occurs when you lift off? Engine breaking.
If you lift off the front wheels attempt to slow the car down, pushing the force (weight) to the front of the the car. This decreases the weight placed on the back which if your turning a corner means oversteer.
If you push the clutch down you remove the engine breaking and therefore prevent LOOS. If you oversteer with the clutch down you're either going way too fast for the corner anyway or you were too late.
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I'd mash the throttle personally. I'm also a firm believer that having the clutch down and thus freewheeling for anything other than the half a second when changing gear is a big no no.
What?
I'll just assume (well, hope) you've simply missed the point here rather than trying (and failing) to sound clever. People were discussing dipping the clutch as a method of saving LOOS, not preventing it.
Simply dipping the clutch to tackle a corner is a pretty stupid/pointless/wimpy/lolworthy move though.
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Yeah I got that mike, the point I was making was what the cause of LOOS is really. I'm not too bothered about the clutch thing, although i have on times used it and that and a nudge in the right direction has always sorted it out for me. Sometimes your just going too fast for the corner( say if you've really misjudged how tight/narrow it is) to dump the throttle.
After driving Saxos/ 106s for ~4 years, I've never really found lift off oversteer an issue. The rear does have some movement on the limit, but as long as you keep the input to the car as smooth as possible through the corner, there's no dramas. If the rear feels like it's drifting away slightly, I tend to take a little bit of lock off and apply more throttle.
Wouldn't recommend dipping the clutch. I took a tight corner on a track day with the clutch down once - was quite late on the brakes, went to downshift into second before turning in, and it didn't want to slot in. Rather than force it, I kept the clutch down and threw the car round. Got round fine, but it was an awful feeling - no feedback from the car, and it felt as though there was nothing to pull me round the corner. Thought the car was going to tip over.
Wouldn't recommend dipping the clutch. I took a tight corner on a track day with the clutch down once - was quite late on the brakes, went to downshift into second before turning in, and it didn't want to slot in. Rather than force it, I kept the clutch down and threw the car round. Got round fine, but it was an awful feeling - no feedback from the car, and it felt as though there was nothing to pull me round the corner. Thought the car was going to tip over.
A 911 is probably one of the safest RWD cars money can buy? People drive them all year round, icy winters included.