Lorry V Corsa
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Really?
There was a sign regarding the oncoming traffic, and big arrows on the roadway. If that hadnt have given it away, surely you would have stopped when you saw the articulated lorry in your lane coming towards you; instead the corsa driver pulls out into another lane which they couldnt see!
By the time they entered the sliproad and saw oncoming traffic and multiple lanes massive warning signs would be going off in your head!
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There was no sign I can find on Google maps regarding oncoming traffic, maybe I'm not finding it because all I can see is the arrows on the road.
I'm not saying they aren't at fault, and I don't think I'd have made the same mistake by a long shot, I'd have stopped as soon as it became apparent I was driving down an exit sliproad.
But this looks to me like a classic example of distractions and lack of signage causing an awful accident (that could have ended a whole lot worse). To just blame the driver draws attention away from other factors (like the missing sign and a whole host of other mitigating factors that could have contributed).
The fact there isn't a warning sign just before the road splits is criminal in my mind. There's posts for a sign but no sign.
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Having read the same thread on pistonheads I can see where the confusion for the Corsa driver comes from however I am 20 and I can still understand the logistics of a single carriage road splitting up to create two one way roads.
Silly, silly mistake, easily done but no excuse. Just be glad she got off lightly, however its people like her, that make insurance expensive for people like me!
I'm with fullmetaltony here, it's far too easy to play the blame game without the full set of circumstances given to you. I can see how the mistake can be easily made.
As for saying she should have stopped when she saw the first lorry, I doubt there was time once the situation had registered.
As for saying she should have stopped when she saw the first lorry, I doubt there was time once the situation had registered.
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Driven around that area several times and the road layout if far from ideal, still, the driver is moronic.
It's called a trumpet junction. They are one of the oldest and most common free-flowing junction types around as they flow well, take up little space and are cheap to build.
If you can't figure it out, don't notice the two way traffic signs, the solid white lines, the arrows on the road, the obvious Y split in the road with an obvious dual carriageway ahead, that is pretty bad. To then fail to notice the oncoming lorries before you merge, and proceed onto the dual carriageway. That's criminal.
If you can't figure it out, don't notice the two way traffic signs, the solid white lines, the arrows on the road, the obvious Y split in the road with an obvious dual carriageway ahead, that is pretty bad. To then fail to notice the oncoming lorries before you merge, and proceed onto the dual carriageway. That's criminal.
Isnt there only 'one way' to get in and 'one way' to get out?
So you have to enter where the truck hit her, then exit further along entering the same road.
There is no other roads you can access the service station? like from a town etc?
If not i cant see how can it be defended, if she has come off the road into that service station using that sliproad, she then drove the wrong way up it when leaving instead of using the exit.
So you have to enter where the truck hit her, then exit further along entering the same road.
There is no other roads you can access the service station? like from a town etc?
If not i cant see how can it be defended, if she has come off the road into that service station using that sliproad, she then drove the wrong way up it when leaving instead of using the exit.
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Yea, that and the fact in this country we drive on the left?
I mean thats a pretty big giveaway that you shouldn't instead cross over and drive on the right.
Mitigating circumstances? For crossing over to the wrong side of the road, driving along the wrong side of the road, and then joining a fast moving dual carriageway the wrong way?
No I think it was more to do with the lack of brains!
Link me the junction in question on google maps then as I have no idea where this was.
Lorry was travelling north bound. Sitting from an armchair, it looks like she wasn't paying attention.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?ll=57...1769,0.005515&t=h&z=18&lci=com.google.webcams
Edit: Have been reading the pistonheads thread, maybe there is some blame on the layout...
Jasey@ said:If you approached this "junction" at 60 (legal limit) and came round the corner with the rocks to be met by a truck doing 50 odd you will spend a couple of nano seconds simply $hitting yourself.
To be honest I'm quite suprised she managed to miss the first one at all !
Don't forget the arrows/lines are all but gone now.
[footnote]Edited by Jasey@ on Tuesday 29th March 09:01[/footnote]
No solid white line and the 'exit' could also have no entry signs added too?
(I'm not excusing the fact that she carried on after seeing the first lorry!)
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Go that road all the time in the lorry to Peterhead, can understand if a foreigner done this but a UK driver theres no excuse.
I was just about to post up "how the hell did she manage that"
I thought it was a roundabout at the top of the junction.
That would have been pure impossibility.
However having seen that street view I can be slightly less WTF about it all.
You come straight off a dual carriageway onto a junction where you can take the right hand lane to "not" go left..
If she had the same thoughts on the second junction, not realising it was two way traffic I can see how it's entirely possible for it to happen.
Still doesn't stop me thinking she's a moron though, all be it a very lucky one!
I thought it was a roundabout at the top of the junction.
That would have been pure impossibility.
However having seen that street view I can be slightly less WTF about it all.
You come straight off a dual carriageway onto a junction where you can take the right hand lane to "not" go left..
If she had the same thoughts on the second junction, not realising it was two way traffic I can see how it's entirely possible for it to happen.
Still doesn't stop me thinking she's a moron though, all be it a very lucky one!
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[TW]Fox;18783080 said:
Sounds like mindlessly following a satnav going "right lane" referring to where the other lane for the other direction splits off or something - I know a couple of people who would be dumb enough to do something like that.
Can't see it doing that either as there isn't a 'Right Lane' for the other direction - that would be hundreds of yards away on the other side of the dual carriageway.
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[TW]Fox;18783080 said:
Have you looked at the layout of the road just prior to the offending split? The road she was on splits and she was taking the lane on the right correctly. Then she took the next lane on the right. If there were no other cars indicating that the road was no longer dual carriageway (and she'd missed the small sign just after the first split), then the only other indicators were the worn out arrows on the road. Plus if her sat nav had told her to "keep to the right" after the first split? Not right up to the second split, but right after the first split, that can put an element of doubt and confusion in the mind. People can be too trusting of sat navs, so much so that their attention to road signage drops, been guilty of it myself so I'm mindful of it.
^^ I agree with you that given the circumstances of that layout and apparent lack of signage that taking the slip road is defensible. Quite likely even. However, getting anywhere near entering a dual carriageway from the right, let alone actually doing it and swerving round an artic in the process requires mental-hospital levels of stupidity.
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