I think the exact opposite would happen. We would be sending space David Attenborough there.
We would certainly be study the developement of more primitive worlds the same way we study some of the insignificant creatures on this planet.
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I think the exact opposite would happen. We would be sending space David Attenborough there.
We would certainly be study the developement of more primitive worlds the same way we study some of the insignificant creatures on this planet.
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In other words, time slows down.
http://nimbleit.squarespace.com/sim...down-when-approaching-the-speed-of-light.html
Pot an kettle?
I don't know if i have misread this, but i have read quite a few of your posts in science threads, which lots of incorrect facts being spouted out then somewhat back tracking.
You have even done it in this thread
in one of your earlier posts to this.back on topic.
But for me
aliens yes, UFO's no
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Wow, sorry I missed this.
The only concepts I dismiss are religion, that is it. So yes you are discussing religion when all you ever do is whine about my refusal to accept any religion as being real.
And if I remember correctly, you also do not believe in any religion, so you have also dismissed the same ideas that I have. Yet you keep on arguing in defense of the same things that you yourself do not believe to be true.
Major hypocrite.
Ok, I have illustrated my point, on with the debate.
Do UFO's exist?
Clearly they do, however unidentified flying objects could by their very definition be just about anything, from the errant weather balloon to marsh gas to super secret weapons testing over the Nevada desert.
Life on other Planets is another far more complex issue entirely.
First of all we have to consider the criteria needed for life to exist successfully, a rocky reasonably sized planet with an Atmosphere to begin with, that planet would need to be orbiting a sun with the accepted spectra class to support life, the planet would need to be at the exact placement to be in the zone where water is liquid.
The planet would have to have sufficient mavity to both hold on to and maintain a nitrogen/ oxygen atmosphere, atmospheric pressure and density needs to be within very precise parameters.
there are a myriad of other criteria that would take an age to list so I will assume most of you know what they are and skip to.....
The Moon... the Earth has a very unique satellite which is proportionately larger and denser than any other in the Solar system, it also unlike the other was made from an asteroid strike early in the Earth's development and as such is made from the Earth rather than from detritus gathered in the Earth's gravitational field.
The Moon has some rather unique influences on the Earth, namely the tides, which in conjunction with the Sun's gravitational pull helped created one of the proposed requirements for the creation of life, along with the Moon being at exactly the right distance so that our rotation slowed and the planet unlike it's closet neighbour Mars is stable on it's axis, again one of the proposed requirements of life (by life I mean advanced complex life, rather than simple celled life).
We also have the various Gas Giants which soak up asteroids and such objects before they smash into the Earth, without them the Earth would most likely be a very different place, devoid of life regardless of the other criteria.
There are various other criteria that are required for life also, however listing them would not illustrate my point any better so I will leave them for later discussion if they are bought up.
So in face of all this what is the likelihood that all these (and more) criteria, some of which are unique in our experience so far, that there is life on other distant planets that we would recognise as such?
Personally I am unsure, I am aware of Carl Sagan's opinion that it would be improbable for it not to exist within the vastness of the Universe, citing the Drake Equation. I am also aware of Asimov's conjecture that the Earth is unique and that we are in fact alone.
One thing is for sure, and that we on our little insignificant planet on the outer edge of our Galaxy, may well be far more significant that we realise.
Not true, I fully admitted to not fully explaining myself and if I am wrong on a subject I will say so. Not so for Bhavv.
You have even done it in this thread
I don't recall making any scientific statements in this thread?
God and religion are not the same thing.
So you dismiss all philosophical evidence and propositions?
So you do only go by empirical evidence?
Make your mind up.
Anyway Bhavv, let us drop this as we obviously disagree and most people want to discuss UFO's rather than our relative positions on acceptance of evidence and hypotheses.
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Surely there can be advanced life that doesn't require liquid water..? I mean not life as we know it... but there is a chance, right?
Castiel said God not the bible. His argument still stands. e.g. i accept the logical possiblity of God same as i do with aliens and the rest. Has nothing to do with me believing in God or not believing in God.
Bhaav it seems uses a different logical rulebook...i think he just scribbles in it what he likes
The somewhat related argument about judging all religious matters under the scientific scythe is another one....one that is utterly utterly flawed....and only reveals a hideous lack of understanding and narrow-mindedness but that is another story......
Castiel said God not the bible. His argument still stands. e.g. i accept the logical possiblity of God same as i do with aliens and the rest. Has nothing to do with me believing in God or not believing in God.
Bhaav it seems uses a different logical rulebook...i think he just scribbles in it what he likes
The somewhat related argument about judging all religious matters under the scientific scythe is another one....one that is utterly utterly flawed....and only reveals a hideous lack of understanding and narrow-mindedness but that is another story......
Absolutely correct.
Yes sorry i slightly miss read.
"What do you think about the contention among physicists that the physical constant that is the Speed of Light is the absolute maximum and how that would effectively negate practical inter-stellar travel even for technological advanced species?"
local interstellar travel travel would be more than possible, when you take into account time dilation. Assuming you have a reasonable propulsion, Just because it take light 4 years to get there, it does not mean it takes the man inside the ship 4 years to get there, at good percentage to the speed of light.
It's your posting style of keep asking probing questions, in an attempt to put people down.
"What do you think about the contention among physicists that the physical constant that is the Speed of Light is the absolute maximum and how that would effectively negate practical inter-stellar travel even for technological advanced species?"
local interstellar travel travel would be more than possible, when you take into account time dilation. Assuming you have a reasonable propulsion, Just because it take light 4 years to get there, it does not mean it takes the man inside the ship 4 years to get there, at good percentage to the speed of light.
It's your posting style of keep asking probing questions, in an attempt to put people down.
What if other forms of life need none of what you have listed?
Maybe there are non carbon based lifeforms.
I would assume that there is some chance, I am not a biologist, but I am open to all possibilities.
However, if we are to go only on what we currently know, then water does seem to be a pre-requisite for life and without it...no life.
Of what we know for our state of life yes,but they all could be machines by now,intellegent robots with super chips for brains,sound far feched,but we dont know
Is it practical for inter-stellar travel rather than inter planetary travel, there are the options of generational ships, or that Aliens have significantly longer lifespans or that they have some way of altering the fabric of space in some way, wormholes and such like.
I would like to hear more about the practical applications of propulsion that you mention?
No it isn't, don't assume that I ask such questions on a regular or even rare occurrence. It is never my intention to "put people down", but if you had seen the context in which my questions were formed in another thread today then you would see that I was simply illustrating a point.
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Then are we not entering the realms of unsupported conjecture, some thing I am accused of by Bhavv?
But, yes maybe there are other life forms, how about pure energy lifeforms?