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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
    601
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lttlejoe said:
The difference is that Gaddafi is fighting a civil war within his OWN homeland! He is still the legitimate leader of the country with much support from many of the varied tribepeople who are loyal supporters, therefore his fight is legitimate even if morally questionable.
It's time the British establishment stopped interfering in other people's lives and countries.
They don't seem to want to interfere with what is going on in Zimbabwe and that despot Robert Mugabe...now I wonder what Libya and Gaddafi have got that Zimbabwe hasn't?

As for Blair..he should be tried for war crimes!
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Hear! Hear!!
 
mmj_uk said:
Just seen a rather horrific site that claims to show Libyan troops in uniform being interviewed/beheaded/executed by the rebels, couldn't bring myself to watch the videos though.

Also had this:



He doesn't come across as the crazed genocidal killer type. ;)
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My thoughts exactly
 
lttlejoe said:
The difference is that Gaddafi is fighting a civil war within his OWN homeland! He is still the legitimate leader of the country with much support from many of the varied tribepeople who are loyal supporters, therefore his fight is legitimate even if morally questionable.
It's time the British establishment stopped interfering in other people's lives and countries.
They don't seem to want to interfere with what is going on in Zimbabwe and that despot Robert Mugabe...now I wonder what Libya and Gaddafi have got that Zimbabwe hasn't?

As for Blair..he should be tried for war crimes!
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+ 1


Same with America who gave The uk and the Usa the rights to say what is right and wrong.They need to stop trying to police the world.
 
meghatronic said:
If we wanted oil we would've supported Gadafi. Just like we have done in the past. Etc etc etc ad nauseum.
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Except that at the start of this uprising it looked like Gaddafi was going to lose - people shouldn't forget that, so we called on him to leave, insulted him etc and now we have to live with the consequences of that decision i.e. only acceptable outcome for us is Gaddafi being deposed.

Getting very worried about this now, seems like classic mission creep. In addition to officers being sent in to advise the rebels, they're now talking about sending in forward air controllers to make the air strikes more effective. The basic problem is we're giving the rebels enough support to keep the civil war going, but not enough to win the civil war. Should we not be spending more time and effort trying to find a diplomatic solution now?
 
there is no diplomatic solution as far as the rebels are concerned the same as the original ceasefire was only to make gaddafi look bd everyone knew the rebels werent going to stop so gaddafi would have had to surrender his whole country or defend against them.

they even had a jet flying around just after the no fly zone came into effect which made everyone assume it was gaddafi breaking the no fly zone they are not to be trusted and there is no way in hell people like that should ever be in power of a country
 
arknor said:
there is no diplomatic solution as far as the rebels are concerned the same as the original ceasefire was only to make gaddafi look bd everyone knew the rebels werent going to stop so gaddafi would have had to surrender his whole country or defend against them.

they even had a jet flying around just after the no fly zone came into effect which made everyone assume it was gaddafi breaking the no fly zone they are not to be trusted and there is no way in hell people like that should ever be in power of a country
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Are you suggesting the rebels are the problem in this?
 
yea they wont stop fighting aslong as they know they have the suport of france , america and the UK it is not in their best intrest to seek a peaceful solution when we will fight the war for them.
everyone saying gaddafi must go just stregthens the rebels idea that they are going to win no matter what when in reality they have no chance unless they get somone to fight the ground war for them.
all they have done so far is proove they are aggressive ,liars who will no doubt turn on the west if they get what they want...

btw you do realise libya is made up of around 140 tribes? the country will have massive corruption and arguing at all levels, atleast with gaddafi you knows whats what..


btw if the rebels did manage to get in power do you think all of the pro gaddafi people will just disapear? they will start doing what the rebels are now but instead they will be called terrorists
 
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dirtydog said:
Absolutely. I don't buy into them as the good guys just because we've been told to think that way.
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Do you think Gaddafi is a "good guy" then?

For the record I don't think it's helpful to describe either side as the good guys. It's just side A vs side B, side A won't let our companies produce oil in Libya any more therefore we have to support side B and make sure they win.
 
scorza said:
Do you think Gaddafi is a "good guy" then?

For the record I don't think it's helpful to describe either side as the good guys. It's just side A vs side B, side A won't let our companies produce oil in Libya any more therefore we have to support side B and make sure they win.
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he used to be pretty evil but the world was a very different place at the time some of what he did many other countries were doing aswell.

Following the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime in 2003, Gaddafi decided to abandon his weapons of mass destruction programmes and pay almost 3 billion US dollars in compensation to the families of Pan Am Flight 103 and UTA Flight 772. The decision was welcomed by many western nations and was seen as an important step toward Libya rejoining the international community. Since 2003 the country has made efforts to normalize its ties with the European Union and the United States and has even coined the catchphrase, 'The Libya Model', an example intended to show the world what can be achieved through negotiation, rather than force, when there is goodwill on both sides.
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maybe america should remember this and tell it to the rebels ;)
 
Libya: Abdul Ati al-Obeidi warns UK plan may worsen war
Mr Obeidi proposed that there should be a ceasefire followed by an interim period of maybe six months to prepare for an election which would be supervised by the UN, as proposed by the African Union roadmap.

"We think any military presence is a step backwards and we are sure that if this bombing stopped and there is a real ceasefire we could have a dialogue among all Libyans about what they want - democracy, political reform, constitution, election. This could not be done with what is going on now," said Mr Obeidi.

He said the election would cover "whatever issue is raised by Libyans", and that anything could be on the table, including, he implied, the future of Col Gaddafi as leader.

Countries he had visited had been supportive about a suggested ceasefire and helping the humanitarian effort, Mr Obeidi added, but pointed to the UK, France and Italy as being unhelpful.
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