Confrunted with 2 men in ski masks!

scary truth is most car thefts now come from either robbery or burglary.
try and keep your car keys and spares upstairs
also make sure all your door locks etc meet british or european standard and make sure theyre locked as much of the time as you can.
as somone said a lot of cars nowadays are stolen to order
 
Dr House said:
what happened to Housey's RS4? was it stolen?
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police paid him a visit and found a GPS tracking device attached magnetically to the wheel arch.

Had been planted there by some criminals they were investigating.

Plan was obviously to walk round supermarket / high street or whatever. Plant tracker then follow housey home where they could steal it in the night with keys.

Scary stuff !

Hiding magnetic car trackers is the stuff of the movies.
 
Firegod said:
Hey, thanks for all the replies. Just having a read back through what everyone has been saying. We're going to look at definitely getting some collapsible posts in the ground, disc locks on the cars, etc. Anything that can slow them down I think is the way to go. Scum.
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Personally i'd be looking into this :

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/5090.html

Its the clifford blackjax module for clifford G5 alarms

If somebody demnands the keys to your car, just hand them over, safe in the knowledge it will do them no good.

As a few seconds after driving off, the alarm goes off, the lights start flashing, and the ignition starts pulsing down slowly, bringing the car to a gradual stop safely in the next street.

Car can then be easily and safely recovered as they havent had chance to crash / thrash it between your house and the next few streets.
 
MrLOL said:
Personally i'd be looking into this :

http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/5090.html

Its the clifford blackjax module for clifford G5 alarms

If somebody demnands the keys to your car, just hand them over, safe in the knowledge it will do them no good.

As a few seconds after driving off, the alarm goes off, the lights start flashing, and the ignition starts pulsing down slowly, bringing the car to a gradual stop safely in the next street.

Car can then be easily and safely recovered as they havent had chance to crash / thrash it between your house and the next few streets.
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How does it know you've been carjacked?
 
because you didn't press the secret button within 5 seconds of starting the car.

very clever !

nobody would ever think to look. Get key, insert in car. Car starts.

You drive off into the distance thinking job well done then ... UH OH :D
 
So it only works if you take out the keys?

So the example of you being at the traffic lights at gunpoint, you'd need to turn it off and remove the keys for it to do anything, something I don't see an armed carjacker being too pleased about you doing when he wants to just jump in and drive off :p
 
MrLOL said:
because you didn't press the secret button within 5 seconds of starting the car.

very clever !

nobody would ever think to look. Get key, insert in car. Car starts.

You drive off into the distance thinking job well done then ... UH OH :D
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Surely that just means that not only will they start pinching the car off the driveway, they'll take you too and get you to enter the code when the car inevitably stops round the corner.

Sounds like a terrible system.
 
you'd take the keys out as you got out of the vehicle and hand them to im.

I very much doubt anybody would twig.

NickXX said:
Surely that just means that not only will they start pinching the car off the driveway, they'll take you too and get you to enter the code when the car inevitably stops round the corner.

Sounds like a terrible system.
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well by this point the police are already on the way.

I'm not sure as to the exact timing of how long it takes before the car stops. I'm sure clifford would leave it long enough such that it doesn't stop them 100 yards up your street otherwise as you say they would just come back.

The clifford website says it lets them drive a "safe distance away" so they've already thought of that.
 
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MrLOL said:
because you didn't press the secret button within 5 seconds of starting the car.

very clever !

nobody would ever think to look. Get key, insert in car. Car starts.

You drive off into the distance thinking job well done then ... UH OH :D
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What about a more 'textbook' carjacking? I.e. you're at a set of lights and get your car stolen with the car already running.

Also presuming the code input buttons are the same now still as my friend's blackjax, it has 2x buttons that you type a code into, and the number of presses = the number, e.g. 23 = button 1 twice and button 2 thrice, but given the pain in the arse of putting in quite a long code every single time you start it up you end up just giving it a short sequence e.g. 13 or something, narrowing possibilities even more.

I also can't help but feel that when people can't steal the car because of something like this they'll just end of torching it or something anyway.
 
MrLOL said:
you'd take the keys out as you got out of the vehicle and hand them to im.

I very much doubt anybody would twig.



well by this point the police are already on the way.

I'm not sure as to the exact timing of how long it takes before the car stops. I'm sure clifford would leave it long enough such that it doesn't stop them 100 yards up your street otherwise as you say they would just come back.
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But the issue is more the fact that car criminals aren't stupid. They're going to be well aware of the fact that these systems exist. Which will likely mean they will take you along at gunpoint, ready to enter the code. Once you've done they, they will be in a position to dispose of you as they see fit.
 
but how will they know its fitted with such a device ?

It lets them start the car and drive off without a clue theres a problem.
 
from what spaz says you enter the code into the clifford remote fob ?

but i understood there was a hidden button somewhere.
 
sigma said:
The numberpad in the car?
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...and the fact that they actually exist. When you've gone to the effort of kicking in someone's front door, threatening their family at gun point and stealing the keys - you're not going to half guess whether or not there is a Blackjax unit installed.

At which point you continue pointing the gun at the owner and borrow him for a few miles until you are sure that the ignition isn't going to cut out.
 
MrLOL said:
from what spaz says you enter the code into the clifford remote fob ?

but i understood there was a hidden button somewhere.
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It's not the fob, it is a little thing you hide somewhere....but by hide it's obviously going to be within arms reach of the drivers seat so isn't going to take forever to find it.
 
I've been looking at the Blackjax system myself reecntly.

Every time a door is opened, or the engine is started you have to put a code into a keypad with X seconds. If the code isn't enetered or entered wrongly X times the car will start to shutdown. I think it will start to sound the horn, then flash the lights then slowly power the engine down until it stops. You can't get the car to start again without the correct keycode.

Personally I'd prefer to have the car stolen, get a safe distance from the car before it stops. If you have bollards etc outside the thief will just force you to take them down.
 
tsinc80697 said:
I've been looking at the Blackjax system myself reecntly.

Every time a door is opened, or the engine is started you have to put a code into a keypad with X seconds. If the code isn't enetered or entered wrongly X times the car will start to shutdown. I think it will start to sound the horn, then flash the lights then slowly power the engine down until it stops. You can't get the car to start again without the correct keycode.

Personally I'd prefer to have the car stolen, get a safe distance from the car before it stops. If you have bollards etc outside the thief will just force you to take them down.
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Good that it gets triggered if the drivers door is opened. Much safer than having to take the keys out if your car jacked


NickXX said:
...and the fact that they actually exist. When you've gone to the effort of kicking in someone's front door, threatening their family at gun point and stealing the keys - you're not going to half guess whether or not there is a Blackjax unit installed.

At which point you continue pointing the gun at the owner and borrow him for a few miles until you are sure that the ignition isn't going to cut out.
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Yeah but how many actually know it exists ? I'd suspect if you ask people who were burgled and their cars stolen at knife point few were asked what their blackjax code was
 
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