Why does the english working man vote tory ???

franco_22 · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:18

The tory party is the same as it was in the 70s and 80s?

Dicehunter · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:18

Greenlizard0 said:
You're from up North where people still hate Thatcher and the Tories. They've passed on these beliefs to their kids. I remember the last election and was dumbfounded at the no. of 18/19 year olds that couldn't give a solid reason as to why they voted labour. The most common being 'my parents vote for them'.

Im not from up north, i live there yes but im originally from europe, moved over here a few years ago.
It just makes me really curious as to why people vote for the tories.
A friend of mine is a journalist and he was talking to me about politics and i just noticed a pattern, everytime the tories are in power the normal working man gets hurt, thats why i cant understand people voting for them.

eddiemcgarrigle · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:21

I don't understand why some Scots vote for Labour. Under Labour, vast parts of Glasgow have deteriorated into modern day slums and still they vote Labour time and time again.

scrlk · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:21

DF1986 said:
Im not from up north, i live there yes but im originally from europe, moved over here a few years ago.
It just makes me really curious as to why people vote for the tories.
A friend of mine is a journalist and he was talking to me about politics and i just noticed a pattern, everytime the tories are in power the normal working man gets hurt, thats why i cant understand people voting for them.

Usually because the previous govt. was so poor people got desperate.

scorza · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:22

kibblerok said:
Here's the video I was looking for (0:50s onwards). Labour would rather have the poor poorer as long as the gap between rich and poor got smaller.

Lets not forget - social mobility and the gap between rich and poor got worse under the last Labour government - and this was during the 'boom' times with billions spent on it.

The evidence from studies done since 1990 indicate that it is indeed Simon Hughes (a Lib Dem btw) who was right and that the gap between rich and poor does matter. The sort of thinking displayed by Thatcher there is imo, no longer acceptable if you want evidence based policy making.

deadite66 · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:23

the trouble is peoples life spans, once you've gone through voting conservative, labour then lib dem and realized they are all rubbish your too old and the younger generation continue the cycle.

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:25

DF1986 said:
Im not from up north, i live there yes but im originally from europe, moved over here a few years ago.
It just makes me really curious as to why people vote for the tories.
A friend of mine is a journalist and he was talking to me about politics and i just noticed a pattern, everytime the tories are in power the normal working man gets hurt, thats why i cant understand people voting for them.

usually labour **** everything up slowly but give people a lto fo tree stuff.

the Tories then have to come in and be the mean parent taking away all the new toys and lowering the child's pocket money as moneys tight.

then once things are reasonably fixed and starting to improve labour hop in with "look at all the free sweets we've got for you kids" everyone runs back to them and then slowly it all goes **** up again till the Tories get brought in to fix it.

.Griff. · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:28

DF1986 said:
Now im not english so i cant comment on this question

For someone who can't comment you've made lots of wildly inaccurate comments in this thread.

Greenlizard0 · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:28

deadite66 said:
the trouble is peoples life spans, once you've gone through voting conservative, labour then lib dem and realized they are all rubbish your too old and the younger generation continue the cycle.

I think this generation has stopped it (see above). There's such apathy towards thinking about who to vote for.

Strife212 · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:28

Thatcher was a great Prime Minister

[TW]Sponge · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:29

again... SC

Tefal · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:32

sponge999 said:
SC

sponge999 said:
again... SC

why?

It's clearly not the high end of the debate spectrum.

craptakular · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:32

I have never voted tory and never will.

They are destroying this country now, Armed forces, Teachers, Police all getting hit hard, where did all the non-jobs they were going to cut go?

Tories have actually done Labour a fav by getting in this time, when Labour get back in next vote they can spend our way out of debt like it should have been done in the first place.

PMKeates · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:34

Genuinely struggling to tell if the above post is meant to be sarcastic or not. The signature isn't helping.

Dave M · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:36

Tories cut taxes (or increase slower), cut the public sector, private sector increases (which creates jobs), GDP increases

Labour increase taxes (faster), increase the public sector, punish the private sector (which sheds jobs), GDP stagnates.

They need each other, one can't do it's thing if the other doesn't do theirs.

LOAM · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:36

Lol same here. If serious then wow/lol

Jokester · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:36

eddiemcgarrigle said:
I don't understand why some Scots vote for Labour. Under Labour, vast parts of Glasgow have deteriorated into modern day slums and still they vote Labour time and time again.

They just get spoon fed benefits cash in those slums as an alternative to work, voting Labour guarantees that it keeps flowing.

semi-pro waster · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:37

eddiemcgarrigle said:
I don't understand why some Scots vote for Labour. Under Labour, vast parts of Glasgow have deteriorated into modern day slums and still they vote Labour time and time again.

Quite a number of people in Scotland would rather lick urine from a nettle than vote Tory. Whether that's an approach which is merited on past performance or not is up for debate. Of the remaining parties that generally leaves Labour or SNP and maybe they disagree with the raison d'etre of the SNP or maybe it's just that their family has always voted Labour.

sponge999 said:
again... SC

It doesn't seem like it fits with intelligent debate of newsworthy issues but I'll raise the point that it might be better in SC.

//edit or maybe I won't as there's at least two people in here who could move it if they chose.

sigma · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:38

Oxy said:
I have never voted tory and never will.

They are destroying this country now, Armed forces, Teachers, Police all getting hit hard, where did all the non-jobs they were going to cut go?

Tories have actually done Labour a fav by getting in this time, when Labour get back in next vote they can spend our way out of debt like it should have been done in the first place.

Spend our way out of debt? We don't have any money to spend!!!!

Excess spending is why we are in such a bad place to recover from the recession.

Thanks to the inability of your beloved Labour. :rolleyes:

Go Labour, go!

[TW]Fox · 25 Apr 2011 at 17:39

scorza said:
The evidence from studies done since 1990 indicate that it is indeed Simon Hughes (a Lib Dem btw) who was right and that the gap between rich and poor does matter. The sort of thinking displayed by Thatcher there is imo, no longer acceptable if you want evidence based policy making.

Why?

Surely the 'poor' earning an average of for the sake of argument £20k and the rich earning an average of £100k is better than the 'poor' earning 15k and the rich earning £50k?