i dont doubt there are gadaffi supporters, but the amount is pure speculation. so saying he has "considerable support" is pure speculation.
stop being a troll and go inform yourself instead. and there are more sources than just BBC news.
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i dont doubt there are gadaffi supporters, but the amount is pure speculation. so saying he has "considerable support" is pure speculation.
stop being a troll and go inform yourself instead. and there are more sources than just BBC news.
we know how big the cities are...
how many rebels do you see on the frontline at ajdabiya on the news reports? less than 1thousand a lot might suport the rebels we dont know the true numbers but the fact is the amount that are willing to die for the rebels is a hell of a lot smaller than the size of the city of benghazi.
i suggest you watch the videos where they try to attack and as soon as the libyan army returns fire with mortars notice how many cars aree on the road fleeing back to ajdabiya its not a great deal
your flawed logic supposes that all people against the gadaffi regime took arms.
there are many who want an end to gadaffi (just look at the videos of early peaceful protests since you seem to like videos) and haven't taken arms, in fact many have fled to Tunisia, Egypt and some trying to get to europe. this was not just a handful of people, and they were anti gaddaffi.
also when the armed opposition are fleeing/retreating from gadaffi forces the journalists are some of the first on their way back; which i can understand
PS why don't you look at the videos when gadaffi called for his supporters to march on bengazi -> there was only a couple of buses, closer to a hundred gadaffi suporters than thousands. surely if gadaffi had such overwhelming amount of supporters like you pretend you could expect to see more than a couple of buses (each probably seating 50 people i would guess)
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I beg your pardon?
How exactly am I being a troll by fronting an opinion that you disagree with?
I am probably more informed than you in most things if you want to play this stupid game wee man.
clearly your opinion is just that an opinion; however unfortunately for you it is based on conjecture and speculation rather than any facts; such as your statements in supporting the idea that gadaffi has widespread support. there is not a shred of evidence to support this.
in fact there has been very little support for gadaffi both internationally and nationally (even the pro gadaffi demonstrations in tripoli - that many journalists/analysts suspect to be staged - are rather underwhelming and certainly don't illustrate massive support from the population) . fact is gadaffi regime has been repressive and oppressive for many decades, so such events were bound to happen soo or later, the jasmine revolution just hastened it.
that some may disagree with sending Nato on military operations i can understand and respect. but that others, such as yourself, pretend he has "considerable support" is delusional imo and certainly not founded on any facts, in other words a meaningless opinion; which you can support but doesn't make it any less meaningless.
and as for you being more informed, your statements clearly indicate the contrary
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You are changing definitions to things I have not lent upon; it wasn't 'widespread' but 'substantial'.
He has enough support internationally and nationally to stay put just now it would seem, this is not really under contest. It would be over by now, an oligarchy cannot survive alone.
Delusional?
No facts? What about good old simple rationale? Funny I must have missed the news reports that Gadaffi was deposed in the first few days.
He clearly has enough support to stay in power and push the rebels back.
You've tried to sex up a lot of ill thought nonsense, stop trying to conflate your failings onto others.
You are confusing public support with brute force. This is why he is in power and how he has been able to remain in power for 40 years. furthermore, let me remind you that there are credible and strong allegations/ first hand testimonies that gadaffi hired mercenaries (an obvious indication of popular support) to quash the rebellion since a few high ranking in the military defected. also note that there are investegations to bring up possible/likeky charges of war crimes against gadaffi
The UN and the Arab League both condemned his actions (in fact the Arab League suspended Lybia), Even Iran expressed favour for the demonstrators/opposition. so not sure by international support you are referring to?
again you confuse the issue. although some nations, notably BRIC that are hesistant when it comes to military intervention, they condemend gadaffi clamp down. in fact, they did not veto the UN resolution 1970 and 1973. if they truly supported gadaffi, it would be reasonable to assume that they would veto this and not have obstained.
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If Gaddafi didn't have considerable support, he wouldn't be there now! The tribal system would sorted that out during the initial insurrection.
It isn't so black and white at all, you really don't understand the situation and neither am I conflating public support with brute force as I never specified.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42365946/ns/world_news-mideast/n_africa/
He clearly has support, regardless of the origins of that loyalty, it is still aparently keeping him in place just now.
To say he has no support is a show of flagrant ignorance of the situation.
The AL then criticised the coalition for what at points looked like indiscriminate bombing.
Funny how they were then shouted down by Anti-Gadaffi movement in the West.
Who cares what they hypocrites have to say, they were suppressing their own people at the same time.
Cuba, a few Latin American countries, a few other little tin pot places and the UN silence of Russia and China who said more about our bombing than they did on his crackdown.
Inverse support by lack of criticism. It's not a lot, but it isn't the world against Gadaffi either.
Not really. That isn't how regional power play by proxy works.
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i never once said he has no support, so don't twist what i say - sad way of debating. i said that some obvioulsy do support him; however there is no evidence to state that he has "considerable support", in fact he has displayed considerable force rather than considerable support up to now, esp before the no fly zone.
on a side note, the AL never openly critized the bombings, it was Amr Mussa who made a statement independently while campaigning in Cairo for his candidacy. the snake a couple days later retracted what he said, or toned it down if you prefer. To put in context Amr Mussa is secretary of arab league and this was said the week after AL asked / pleaded for a no fly zone
anyway i am done with your circular arguments, you have not made the case to demonstrate that he has "considerable support", whereas i never said he had no support.
/end of line and good night
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I have provided evidence that he does have considerable support from select tribes, apparently in the millions theoretically.
You said this is baseless, therefore not the case.
Stop squirming.
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No, what you said has been posted above again.
He is in the middle of a civil war that other nations have jumped in on, of course he is going to be displaying force.
What do you expect, some sort of ******* tea party in the streets?
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It wasn't totally independent, it was in his position in the AL to represent the shock at what some of their members witnessed.
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The snake??
A bit emotionally attached to this, are we?
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AND?
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What ever makes you feel better.
Sleep tight.
i guess we will soon see if gaddafi really has suport from the tribes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13173628
acording to the goverment they have been told if the army cant take miserata the tribes will and acording to a gaddafi soldier captured on friday they had ordered to evacuate miserata.
could be BS propaganda or the first signs of a country about to spiral out of control
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13173628
acording to the goverment they have been told if the army cant take miserata the tribes will and acording to a gaddafi soldier captured on friday they had ordered to evacuate miserata.
could be BS propaganda or the first signs of a country about to spiral out of control
I wonder if this could lean towards the US putting troops on the ground. If tribal warlords become involved it could mean further blood shed.
rofl thewy have tanks charging in and killing protestors...
they even attacked and killed 9 people at a funeral held for protestors killed http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114231169587270.html
ahh well guess they can always liberate the oil in libya
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Isn't Syria a tad better armed than Libya though??
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Syria's a real interesting one. All I'll say is there's quite a few Brits that haven't chosen to leave yet as it's not too bad.... but those I know are home 
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