Chiropractors calling themselves 'Dr'

Amp34 · 30 Apr 2011 at 15:00

2 year masters are common in the US, but I'm sure most of europe are 1 years masters. Also PhD studies in Scandinavia are 4 years, similar to the UK (which is 3-4 years)...

I can only assume D.P. has mistaken Swiss standards for those of the rest of the world?

EDIT: Actually it appears a lot of the masters courses are 2 years as well, however most only do Sept/Oct-May/June rather than the full Sept-Sept we do in the UK...

Castiel · 30 Apr 2011 at 15:01

Tefal said:
How many step brothers do you have?

I thought Gaidin109 said he ran a tech company/electronic research company now he's a surgeon?

Gaidin is my half-brother (who is now back in University), not my step brother.

I am sure I am not alone in having Parents that remarried several times and have an extended family.

Anyway what has that got to do with Chiropractors calling themselves Dr?

Theophany · 30 Apr 2011 at 15:17

dowie said:
Yes that's great, I know what a PhD is I'm not talking about PhDs or people with any other doctorate.

Well the simple answer is that they have a Doctorate in Chiropractics. The answer takes approximately 2.3 seconds to find through Google, I really fail to see why you have so much incredulity for such an elementary concept.

They qualify for use of a title because they meet the criteria. Simples.

jbloggs · 30 Apr 2011 at 16:17

dowie said:
Doesn't necessarily stop them being quacks

some guff universities offer homeopathy courses too

Do any of the serious research led universities offer Chiropractor training?

AECC's Masters is vaildated by Bournemouth University

This is the neurological research paper that I had published in 1992 (I am the 3rd person)...

I suggest you pull your head out of the sand and stop being prejudiced and biased!

Do you do all the basic medical sciences?

Yes, everything a medical student did, I did...

if so why not just go to a proper medical school and do some sort of add-on course?

Because it is Chiropractic and not (traditional) medicine.

Do they really believe they can help with Internal medical pathologies by manipulating the spine?

Many spinal problems respond well to manipulation, some dont...

D.P. · 30 Apr 2011 at 16:50

Dr House said:
really?

I could be wrong but my understanding for example in the life sciences you do 3 years of undergrad (BSC) if you have got at least a 2.1 you can go directly into a PHD which takes around 4 years.

In the UK, but in the rest of Europe, the US, Canada, Japan, everyone does a 4 year undergrad, then a 1-2 year masters and a PhD that last typically about 5 years.

The UK is an exception, and not a good one.

dowie · 30 Apr 2011 at 16:52

Theophany said:
Well the simple answer is that they have a Doctorate in Chiropractics. The answer takes approximately 2.3 seconds to find through Google, I really fail to see why you have so much incredulity for such an elementary concept.

They qualify for use of a title because they meet the criteria. Simples.

Not simples tbh... just a google fail - you've gone to google and presumably found a link refering to DCs - American Chiropractors. In the US they also have DOs (though these follow very similar training to MDs).

Tefal · 30 Apr 2011 at 16:54

jbloggs said:
Yes, everything a medical student did, I did...

Who did they have you doing the cannulation practice/tests on, just each other or they let you loose on patients? :eek:

Tefal · 30 Apr 2011 at 16:58

jbloggs said:
AECC is the college that I went too for 5 years (not in practice at the moment though), although there are some other universities offering Chiropractic degrees in the UK (see Here)...hardly the education of a "quack" or charlatan!

Chiropractors practice under the Chiropractors Acts 1994 and are regulated by The General Chiropractic Council

wow you only need 2 a levels to do that degree..

Dr House · 30 Apr 2011 at 17:04

jbloggs said:
Yes, everything a medical student did, I did...

Really, I find that a little hard to believe, you may done "pathology, internal medicine, obstetrics and gynaecology............" but did you really go into the same amount of detail a medical student would have? A nursing student has to do a lot of the same courses as medical student but they would not dream of saying they had to do everything a medic did.

if so my point still stands, why not do a proper medical degree and then take a add on course.

jbloggs said:
Because it is Chiropractic and not (traditional) medicine.

Yes but you say that you had to do everything a traditional medical student did, so which is it?

5 years sounds like a very long time to spend in university to learn to give a massage.

Spektor · 30 Apr 2011 at 17:09

Bennie-Mac said:
If you've ever had serious back pain a chiropractor is a lifesaver, not a "quack".

A message therapist would be a life saver, also the happy ending some offer outweighs going to a chiropractor ^^

But chiropractors believe very bizarre things about what the treatment is capable of, if you have a back ache, sure go for it, but their patients don't all just have this many will have some very serious ailments which chiropractors believe they can treat, ranging from cancers to the blind and deaf. Ultimately it's hippy garbage the same as healing energy crystals, homeopathy etc.

w11tho · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:01

D.P. said:
The UK is an exception, and not a good one.

I'd be delighted if we could hear a little more about this.

franco_22 · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:15

I want to be a gynaecologist.

/end thread.

Castiel · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:18

franco_22 said:
I want to be a gynaecologist.

/end thread.

I don't, but I'll watch.......

dowie · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:47

jbloggs said:
AECC's Masters is vaildated by Bournemouth University

This is the neurological research paper that I had published in 1992 (I am the 3rd person)...

I suggest you pull your head out of the sand and stop being prejudiced and biased!

I suggest you stop being so credulous.

There is surely a reason why no decent research universities offer such courses? - As far as I'm aware a large portion of the academic community tends to regard your profession as a bit of a joke.

Yes, everything a medical student did, I did...

ORLY?

So you had placements in various depts in NHS hospitals - tell me please - which NHS hospitals have chiropractor students on A&E placements? Do they also employ witch doctors?

Because it is Chiropractic and not (traditional) medicine.

And if it were proven to work it would surely be part of 'medicine' instead it is 'alternative medicine'?

Many spinal problems respond well to manipulation, some dont...

AFAIK you might have something to offer in terms of helping with non specific back pain and even then someone could just as easily go to a physio.

dowie · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:49

Dr House said:
5 years sounds like a very long time to spend in university to lean to have a massage.

This tbh....

asim18 · 30 Apr 2011 at 18:51

dowie said:
WTF are you all on drugs?

Since when do Chiropractors have PhDs?

Yes, and yes.

My French teacher in secondary school had a PhD and we used to call him Dr.

There was also a Maths teacher and a Science teacher that also had PhDs.

Castiel · 30 Apr 2011 at 19:09

Regardless of what our resident medical mathematics martial arts expert seems to imply I haven't been able to find a chiropractor who refers to themselves as Doctor, not in our local yellow pages anyway, they are all called practitioner.

It seems like it is something that is common in countries such as the USA where the qualification endows the title, but not so much in the UK.

Either way the evidence is strong that Chiropractics is effective in treating lower back pain conditions so I can't see what all the fuss is about really, there are far more important things to get angry about including but not limited to using Doctors that are under investigation or struck off of Foreign registries in the NHS and some of the more esoteric homoeopathic treatments that seem to be creeping into the NHS as well.

franco_22 · 30 Apr 2011 at 19:37

Dr House said:
5 years sounds like a very long time to spend in university to lean to have a massage.

I know a couple of pinoy girls that could teach you in 10 minutes.

Castiel · 30 Apr 2011 at 19:49

franco_22 said:
I know a couple of pinoy girls that could teach you in 10 minutes.

Email in trust.

dowie · 30 Apr 2011 at 19:57

Castiel said:
Either way the evidence is strong that Chiropractics is effective in treating lower back pain conditions so I can't see what all the fuss is about really, there are far more important things to get angry about including but not limited to using Doctors that are under investigation or struck off of Foreign registries in the NHS and some of the more esoteric homoeopathic treatments that seem to be creeping into the NHS as well.

Problems potentially arise if they claim to be able to treat other conditions or offer other medical advice. Some were not exactly helpful during the MMR scare.

Perhaps you should read this too:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/apr/19/controversiesinscience-health