Osama bin Laden is dead - no graphic/violent images.

Bulldog14 said:
What sort of drugs are you on? You do realize that there are areas of the world that operate under different rules than here in the west right? In osama's world the rule of the gun is all that matters. Do you really think he had any interest in "negotiation"? Do you really? Osama was a religious fanatic that had convinced himself that it is justified to kill and injure as many innocents as he could in the name of his religion. You don't negotiate with people like this. If you think you know it all go visit an area of the world that is under the thumb of fundementalists and strike up a conversation with a fanatic. If you do I could only say make sure you have your affairs in order before you go.

There is no negotiation with religious fanatics as there is no common ground to find.
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EXACTLY - you only have to look at the Westboro Baptist Church to see the manifest insanity that religion and indoctrination can cause. The only reason the Americans haven't put bullets in these people's heads is that they are American citizens and have the right to free speech. I'm pretty sure if the first amendment didn't exist the Government would have found some way to permanently silence them. I'm not sure that would be a bad thing either.
 
Captain Planet said:
^ Typical ocuk keyboard warrior response/devils advocate yawnfest...

If you lived in NYC at the time of it being attacked, if you lost friends or family in the attack, if your lives were forever changed as a result. If you lived in a country whose media quite effectively demonised just one man, and even more so if you lived in a country where the death sentence was such an acceptable form of justice then I think your views wouldn't be much dissimilar from those of the people pictured above. Hell, if it happened here and my family had been killed by a maniac for reasons that I could not comprehend then I'd be happily singing the news of that persons death.
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More than 1 in 3 Americans believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Jus' sayin'


And all the pictures of americans celebrating in Times Square and outside the Whitehouse just makes it so so clear that a totalitarian future is what awaits us - because frankly, people are so bloody thick that they'll not only let it happen, but embrace it. Those pictures are proof of that.
 
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DAIR said:
Must be these darn antihistamines!

Okay so killing terrorists at point blank range is the only way to get rid of terrorism?

If so please tell me how this helps the overall situation?
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Killing Osama helps the situation greatly as he is the guiding force and founder of his particular movement. Keep in mind that the people in Al-Queda are very violent. They fight and squabble with one another as much as they fight against the west. A highly disciplined lot they are not. While Osama may not have had much operational control over the years, he had a huge amount of respect and charisma within the organization. One word from him and a dispute could be settled. One word from him and an action taken. One word from him and countries shuddered. It takes a special kind of charisma to keep such a violent and fracticous lot unified. With him gone that key unifying factor is removed. The organization will likely fragment and become much less capable of carrying out large scale atrocities. Of course terrorism will remain and any loony with a gun and a bomb can still cause death and destruction, but the ability to carry out large scale co-ordinated attacks is now greatly diminished.

It is not about black and white stopping them or not. They will always be there. It is about reducing capability levels.

For the record I'm Canadian, and I have lived in Europe for years. I fully support my American neighbours and while I didn't take to the streets last night (bit over the top to do so in my opinion) I went home, had a nice cold beer and felt good about him being dead.
 
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Are we all forgetting that US still have absolutely no proof that Osama was behind 9/11?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists (read what he is wanted for)

And theres a pentagon press release from a little while back floating around which clearly outlines that they have no evidence against him for 9/11. I will post it up here when I find it again.

Don't get me wrong - he is/was a horrible man, but not any more so than Rummsfeld, Cheyney or Kissinger.
 
Bulldog14 said:
Killing Osama helps the situation greatly as he is the guiding force and founder of his particular movement. Keep in mind that the people in Al-Queda are very violent. They fight and squabble with one another as much as they fight against the west. A highly disciplined lot they are not. While Osama may not have had much operational control over the years, he had a huge amount of respect and charisma within the organization. One word from him and a dispute could be settled. One word from him and an action taken. One word from him and countries shuddered. It takes a special kind of charisma to keep such a violent and fracticous lot unified. With him gone that key unifying factor is removed. The organization will likely fragment and become much less capable of carrying out large scale atrocities. Of course terrorism will remain and any loony with a gun and a bomb can still cause death and destruction, but the ability to carry out large scale co-ordinated attacks is now greatly diminished.

It is not about black and white stopping them or not. They will always be there. It is about reducing capability levels.

For the record I'm Canadian, and I have lived in Europe for years. I fully support my American neighbours and while I didn't take to the streets last night (bit over the top to do so in my opinion) I went home, had a nice cold beer and felt good about him being dead.
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I'll respond to this (in full) later!
 
AndyT said:
Can't find any reputable source for this statistic. Can you let us know where this info came from?
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You only have to search the net to get a good idea of how many people believe this was an inside job!

Heck..... Charlie Sheen came out in public and expressed his view about the 9/11 attacks..... Pre mad Charlie might I add!
 
samir_ansari said:
Are we all forgetting that US still have absolutely no proof that Osama was behind 9/11?

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists (read what he is wanted for)

And theres a pentagon press release from a little while back floating around which clearly outlines that they have no evidence against him for 9/11. I will post it up here when I find it again.

Don't get me wrong - he is/was a horrible man, but not any more so than Rummsfeld, Cheyney or Kissinger.
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As far as I remember he was never formally indicted/charged for the crimes of 9/11 which means it wouldn't go on the wanted page. This however; doesn't necessarily mean that there is NO evidence he was involved, just not enough to build a full case before bringing him in.

Regardless, he was the leader of Al-Qaeda and was wanted for attacks on American soil. So they killed him.
 
I have to say right now, at the risk and high probability of being called a tin-foil hat wearer, that I'm wondering if they've announced this with future intentions of creating another 'terrorist crisis'.

How many times over the past couple years have we heard the US presidents and our own Prime Ministers state with 100% certainty that there will be future terrorist attacks and we need to be ready for them? Quite a few, infact enough times that it's riled my suspicions.

Were there to be future 'terrorist attacks' then it would be another 9/11 getting people riled up and ready to support a war in <insert place of choice>.

Yes I believe 9/11 was goverment controlled, and one thought that has crossed my mind is were there to be a future 'terror attack' controlled once again by the goverment, they could simply state, "this is clearly a retaliation for OBL", and then invade another country.

Go ahead bash me and send me my foil, I don't mind. In my mind, it's a real possibility.
 
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