Poll: F.P.T.P or A.V.. This Thursday

FPTP or AV

  • FPTP

    Votes: 319 37.1%

  • AV

    Votes: 359 41.8%

  • Pfft, Will Still End Up Run By Crooks

    Votes: 181 21.1%
  • Total voters
    859
Ahleckz said:
Why did you stand outside in the rain? I would have thought that the people going to cast their vote would already know who they were voting for and a leaflet at the very last minute isn't going to change that or would just take a mad stab in the dark once they got their ballot.
And, if it's raining you're going to have even more difficultly in getting people to stop and chat to you.
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:( why get serious I was wanting some flirting back :D

I wasn't stood outside all the time, but for a fair amount, had a ledge of the roof to stand under with umbrella really belting it down at one point. Could have murdered a cuppa though.

When no other party can be bothered to get off their fat lying hypocritical arse’s to face the public (do you see a re-occuring theme?) or bother with politics 'the old way' then it merely looks like they can't be arsed and have taken their core (or any) vote for granted; dropping off an A frame in the morning to the station is sufficient.

The ward I went to is a historically poor area, and no suprise long Labour held. The sitting MSP turned up to do a turnout check 2pm roughly, and apparently the only thing he said to the returns officer who was there at the time was a moan about a lack of interview for losers after the count on the telly. Speaks volumes, to me anyway.

I would rather show my fellow citizens that the governing party will listen to any concern they have, good or bad. And I did just that with a charming smile. Sure, I can't really say anything other than 'Hi, lovely day' or whatever as they walk in because of electoral rules, but if they ask me questions I can answer. The signage at the school was poor and I ended up guiding a lot of people around. Some didn't have their polling card and asked me (with rosette) for advice, which I gave. Got a few debates on the go tonight also, and no I doubt I changed nobodies mind at all in that respect that's not what it's about. What they might remember when watching the result or reading the paper looking back is that there was only one person there greeting, smiling helping and conversing and that was the SNP regardless of their voting intention.

If I changed any vote tonight I'd be surprised, but that wasn't my aim as you might now understand.

Edit: Although I did end up changing an SNP supporters mind on AV; and I actually felt a bit guilty in doing so. :o

Ahleckz said:
Well, I was on the Edinburgh train earlier on but I was dying for the toilet after taking advantage of free Nandos refills, so I had to get off at my stop. That's why I wasn't able to come to your rescue with a flask. :p
I'm sure you looked lovely though, we can have a Scotland meet one day and argue about politics in the warm safety of a pub. You can even bring you're skirt.
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It's a deal. :)
 
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BDEE said:
I agree that is a poor advert.

How do you mean win by default? No vote will win because thats what voters want. Or do you mean the campaign will win because the no vote will win? If so I see what you mean.
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FPTP (or the No Campaign) wins by default as that's what the default currently is - it's less effort to stick to what you know if you don't have any strong preferences for the change. Both sides have been guilty of poor and misleading information regarding the referendum - picking who's guiltier seems a bit of a waste of time to me though, neither comes out with much credit.
 
We're going to have to wait until tomorrow evening for the result:

1300: The turnout figures for the alternative vote referendum are announced.
1600: Counting begins around the country for the AV referendum.
1730: First results expected for the AV referendum.
1900: As the results come, a fuller picture is expected to have emerged of the referendum outcome.
2000: The official result of the AV referendum is expected to be declared.
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I don't know how this all got so shouty. It's simple IMO:

If you're a Conservative voter, you probably should have voted NO.
Otherwise, you should probably have voted YES.

FPTP is flawed for more than two parties. By splitting left-leaning voters, Labour and the Lib Dems are forced to fight for votes, while the Cons mop up the rest.
 
It's not a out parties, it's about the way we vote. You shouldn't vote based on your preferred partie, although some(lot) will have.

Av is flawed as well and the idea that lib dem voters would prefer labour is a bit odd. Most I know would vote Tories over labour as a second choice.
 
AcidHell2 said:
How does it fail, some people will have more statistical power than others. It doesn't matter that people vote different amounts, in fact they will vote different amounts and hence the unbalanced stats, it requires a different number of votes. I still don't see why you think it's an unfair generalisation? Can only assume you have taken it for something else or missed the meaning.
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Apologies. On reflection I have taken the wrong context, I blame the skim reading :o :)
 
AcidHell2 said:
the idea that lib dem voters would prefer labour is a bit odd. Most I know would vote Tories over labour as a second choice.
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Not really, the Lib Dems were formed out of the Liberal SDP Alliance. There is a wing of SDP and a wing of classic Liberals, those who lean more toward the classic Liberal movement would likely vote Tory as their second preference whilst those more of an SDP slant would likely vote Labour as a second preference.
 
However they are very different indeed as are most parties from when they started, for a start they are all very centeral these days.
 
joeyjojo said:
FPTP is flawed for more than two parties. By splitting left-leaning voters, Labour and the Lib Dems are forced to fight for votes, while the Cons mop up the rest.
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That's not a flaw of the system, that's just down to a major section of modern society having split left wing beliefs.

Put it this way, if labour had moved more over to the right, you'd have the same situation.
 
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