Would you do the swap

SpeedFreak · 7 May 2011 at 18:00

Lucero, they're cars not fight jets....

SpeedFreak · 7 May 2011 at 18:02

DM said:
Its all over im gonna get it for her tomorrow.

Lucero, i cant explain it, wait till you have kids, what on earth is the point in making her pay me the 2k?

She'll have to earn it and will appreciate the car a bit more I'd imagine. I will give my daughter absolutely everything she needs to do well in life, not necessarily everything she wants though

DM · 7 May 2011 at 18:03

Kenai said:
Does she particularly want the 4 seats of the CLK? SLK may appeal more if not?

you need the 4 seats her a mate and 2 boyfriends.

sadly i think her boyfriend is gay but he knows that

Django x2 · 7 May 2011 at 18:03

[TW]Fox;19080076 said:
Because it's a load of rubbish that you've just made up? Design of the E39 was complete in 1990? lol

What did they do for the next 6 years then, twiddle the thumbs?

The E60's design was completed in 2002. The E39's design was completed in 1995. I suspect the CLK's design was completed in 2001. Cars are brought to market as soon after the design is complete as is reasonably possible - you wouldnt want your design to go stale before you've even announced it.

Using your logic, BMW finished designing the E60 in 1998, lol

Got any more gems for us? Perhaps Apple finished designing the ipod years before it came out as well

Claus Luthe was the head designer of BMW until 1991. The development of the E39 was completed in his era. Are you actually confusing desiging with building?

Any other questions about the "design" of a car, you let me know

[TW]Fox · 7 May 2011 at 18:05

What did they do for the next 5 years then? Store it in the factory until they could be bothered to make it?

The F30 3 Series is due to release next year. Development is STILL taking place right now...

btw, the E39 was designed by Joji Nagashima.

Even Wikipedia could have told you that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joji_Nagashima

Oh I see, ninja edits.

Tell you what Lucero - dont waste your time replying, because I can't be bothered to argue with you.

You can continue to think the development cycle of a car is COMPLETED *5 YEARS* before its released, and we'll continue to ignore you. The fact that somebody completed a concept sketch with a pencil in 1991 doesn't mean development stopped then nor does it mean it's a 20 year old design :rolleyes:

Django x2 · 7 May 2011 at 18:11

[TW]Fox;19080162 said:
What did they do for the next 5 years then? Store it in the factory until they could be bothered to make it?

The F30 3 Series is due to release next year. Development is STILL taking place right now...

Again, you are confusing design with build. A designers draft happens many many years before the car is built. Not to mention the time to tool a factory especially for significant changes. The E39 was designed well before it went in to production. Sure, the interior might not have been done, etc, but the basic car, it's looks, etc was all sorted out years in advance. The same will have been true of the CLK.

How is two minutes a ninja edit?. I can't be responsible for the length of time it takes you to find factually incompelte information:

Claus Luthe was the BMW chief designer from April 1976, he oversaw the creation of all fantastic BMW cars of the 1980's as E30, E31, E32, E34 and later E36 as well as basic styling of E38 and E39; Luthe withdrew from work at BMW in spring of 1990 after the family tragedy; he later served as the BMW external consultant. He died in 2008 in Munich.

From http://www.bmwism.com/bmws_designers.htm

Being head designer, final approval of the E39 would have come down to Claus, and he left entirely in 1990.

Face it Fox. There are just some things about BMW even you don't know the answer to, bearing in mind you were probably playing with crayons when your car was actually sketched out

EDIT: And please point me to the exact post where I said "development cycle of a car is COMPLETED"

[TW]Fox · 7 May 2011 at 18:13

Only in concept - the actual finished products look and feel will not have been completed until much, much closer to production. It is only at that point which it becomes fair to class that as the birth of the design in the context we are arguing.

Therefore the 2002-2010 Mercedes CLK is not a 15 year old design.

hurfdurf · 7 May 2011 at 18:15

DM said:
sadly i think her boyfriend is gay but he knows that

He knows he is gay or he knows you think he is gay? Do you genuinely mean you think he is a homosexual or do you just think he is a bit off a limp wristed muppet. There is an important difference.

DM · 7 May 2011 at 18:16

you kmnow when alls said and done you can tkll if thers been 5 bums on a seat or one, there is a difference

woodpigeon4 · 7 May 2011 at 18:17

Well, I guess if she's happy that's all that matters. I was spoilt at that age and personally I don't think it ruined me - my dad bought me a jag xj6 as my first car, and now here I am driving a 6 year old car that cost me £3900 because I realised there's a lot more important things in life than a flashy car. Give her a few years and she'll probably only be changing her cars every couple of years, although with your finanical backing methinks she may be spending a bit more than £3900 each time

DM · 7 May 2011 at 18:17

hurfdurf said:
He knows he is gay or he knows you think he is gay? Do you genuinely mean you think he is a homosexual or do you just think he is a bit off a limp wristed muppet. There is an important difference.

Hes a beautician, one night i had about 8 of my fat neck uncultured mates round and we grilled him, he denied it but im not convinced

jigger · 7 May 2011 at 18:17

DM said:
you need the 4 seats her a mate and 2 boyfriends.

sadly i think her boyfriend is gay but he knows that

LOL

Joshy · 7 May 2011 at 18:18

DM said:
Hes a beautician

Enough said.

[TW]Fox · 7 May 2011 at 18:18

Lucero said:
Face it Fox. There are just some things about BMW even you don't know the answer to, bearing in mind you were probably playing with crayons when your car was actually sketched out

Bwahahahaha.

From your quote:

basic styling of E38 and E39

Thats rather different to what you said, isnt it. You said:

Lucero said:
The development of the E39 was completed in his era

So which is it? The basic styling, or the development itself being completed?

I dont think anyone doubts that basic styling is sketched out quite far in advance of a cars release. But only you would be daft enough to think that means the entire development is completed

DM · 7 May 2011 at 18:19

i mean how many male beauticians do you know, lets have it r8ight, Stevie i love ya you know that, im just saying

Django x2 · 7 May 2011 at 18:21

[TW]Fox;19080267 said:
Bwahahahaha.

From your quote:

Thats rather different to what you said, isnt it. You said:

So which is it? The basic styling, or the development itself being completed?

I dont think anyone doubts that basic styling is sketched out quite far in advance of a cars release. But only you would be daft enough to think that means the entire development is completed

As I stated:

Being head designer, final approval of the E39 would have come down to Claus, and he left BMW entirely in 1990

[TW]Fox · 7 May 2011 at 18:22

'Yes, thats a lovely concept sketch, we'll make that'

Does not equal

'The development of this car is now complete'

ZG002 · 7 May 2011 at 18:23

DM said:
Hes a beautician, one night i had about 8 of my fat neck uncultured mates round and we grilled him, he denied it but im not convinced

Lmfao!

Get her the Merc, You will only end up getting her it by the end of next week anyway!

DM · 7 May 2011 at 18:23

Lucero said:
As I stated:

Being head designer, final approval of the E39 would have come down to Claus, and he left BMW entirely in 1990

she dont care im convinced shes not bothered

Django x2 · 7 May 2011 at 18:25

Development and design are two different things. You seem to fail at understanding that. I can't help you with the fundamental basics. You design a car, you then develop it. This doesn't happen overnight, or even over a year.