UK Road Quality

How do you propose that we measure the level at which roads should be considered to be "good".


On a scale of 1-10, where 1 is terrible, 10 is fantastic:

the rest of the world is 1
UK is 2

Now, just because we are better, doesn't mean we are good.

We have running water to all homes in the UK, which is better than most countries. Would you be happy that that water is not clean just because we are better than other countries?
 
I've driven in Ireland, the USA, Canada, Spain and France and the roads in the UK are easily the best in comparison, ever seen a foot wide pothole in the fast lane of a motorway? I haven't, I did however hit one on the 407 highway coming in to Toronto .. scary veg!
 
They seem to be putting some money into the roads round my way now. Not sure if this is work allocated to last years spend because the last draft I saw we had next to no budget for road repairs in 2011/12.

That said there are still some shocking stretches of road and laughably some random "damaged road surface" signs in areas that aren't too bad at all :confused:
 
Anyone who thinks UK roads aren't bad should visit south Yorkshire and inparticular sheffield. Nowhere in England have I seen roads as bad, even when people visit from other areas they comment on them. They are awful :(

Agreed, Sheffield roads are awful.
 
In reply to Morbas scale I'd say were nearer 6-7 ....

And before somebody pipes up that trucks are only on Motorways & A-Roads, well for a lot of the time, thats true.

However, we have to come off the main roads to deliver, many times down single track lanes etc etc etc.

The one thing you don't worry about in the UK is the road surface turning from tarmac to mud within a matter of miles, as I say, we really have no idea how lucky we actually are.
 
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On a scale of 1-10, where 1 is terrible, 10 is fantastic:

the rest of the world is 1
UK is 2

Now, just because we are better, doesn't mean we are good.

We have running water to all homes in the UK, which is better than most countries. Would you be happy that that water is not clean just because we are better than other countries?

Your scale makes no sense, you are no good at statistics are you? :p

In order to construct a scale you must first survey developed nations based on a criteria of what constitutes a developed nation for this purpose. You then set the median of that scale to be the median of road quality.

You then place us on that scale. We would be above average on that scale. You can moan but its moaning for the sake of moaning, people need to bloody well wake up and realise how good we have it here, hearing moans about this country is such a bore.
 
Cost and too much legislation to comply with that's all it is. The roads are patched because there just isn't the money to undertake fresh resurfacing schemes.

Also you need to remember it's not just the road surfaces that are covered by Highways budgets but structures (bridges/culverts), street furniture (signs, signals etc) VRS systems, I could go on.
 
Your scale makes no sense, you are no good at statistics are you? :p

In order to construct a scale you must first survey developed nations based on a criteria of what constitutes a developed nation for this purpose. You then set the median of that scale to be the median of road quality.

You then place us on that scale. We would be above average on that scale. You can moan but its moaning for the sake of moaning, people need to bloody well wake up and realise how good we have it here, hearing moans about this country is such a bore.

But that means nothing, as I'm not going to spend equal time driving on all those countries roads. I drive in the UK, I do not like the standard of the roads currently compared to what they have been before.

Never mind though, we are better than other places so we can let it get worse for a while longer.

You said about being above other countries making us good, not that an average was taken blah blah blah.

I was pointing out that just being better than someone else doesn't mean its automatically good.
 
Partly due to cost, but also I reckon a lot of foreign workers have a better work ethic. The company who are contracted to repair the roads where I live are called Conway, and their slogan is, rather ironically, "great people, great work". They're a bunch of chavs, their work is crap, and they seem to spend most of their time driving their vans 2cm behind the rear bumper of my car and doing stupid speeds in residential roads :mad:

Whereabouts are you? I work for Conway. Generally speaking, we recieve a lot of praise for our work, our work ethic, our environmental policy and the quality of the work we undertake, from most of our clients.

Ill pass on your well thought out and baalnced criticisms of our work though. Just as soon as I've finished being a chav.
 
Seems like they are just putting speedbumps over the potholes here, killing 2 birds with 1 stone :rolleyes:.

Just because there are countries where the roads are worse than ours doesn't mean it's okay for ours to be shocking aswell. Massive car breaking potholes are unacceptable. Jez, I'm sure your Merc glides over them, but so far I've had broken springs and a couple of punctures from just simply not being able to avoid hilarious potholes.
 
Whereabouts are you? I work for Conway. Generally speaking, we recieve a lot of praise for our work, our work ethic, our environmental policy and the quality of the work we undertake, from most of our clients.

Ill pass on your well thought out and baalnced criticisms of our work though. Just as soon as I've finished being a chav.
I'm in Bexley. What exactly do you do for conway? Office work or actual road repair? If the latter, then quite frankly I'm astonished that you don't see what I'm saying. A lot of Conway drivers are morons, and that's a fact as far as I'm concerned. As you're local, you may know some of the places I'm describing so I'll give you some examples, as you're so keen to take up my complaints.
At crayford roundabout outside the shopping complex, Mr Conway man in a flatbed truck decided to force me into the wall because he was in the wrong lane, then called me a ****. Delightful chap he was.
Conway men frequently stop for lunch in Hall Place on bourne road, which is very busy with families, old people etc. When entering/leaving, they drive dangerously fast, often on the phone, and don't seem to care about anyone except themselves.
Then there's just the general "white van man" attitude they take: tailgating, pulling out in front of you, pushing in front of queues and all that sort of stuff.
And, on top of that, they don't even do a good job - they just pour tarmac into holes and leave it and lo and behold, a couple of months down the line the hole re-appears.

I guess there is one positive outcome that this thread has produced though - I had previously assumed there was no point complaining to conway as they wouldn't give a ****, but as you seem to think otherwise, I'll take the number of the next one that annoys me and make a complaint. :)
 
Go anywhere else then, our country roads are just as good if not better than anything ive seen in other countries.

The autoroutes in France are better than our Motorways in quality, as is the autobahn.

The roads in Japan are better than our roads.
 
Dad works for a black top firm the cost to get the roads up to scratch is in the billions and if we started.....NOW we wouldnt be finished for 15+ years. Love it, "road" tax goes on almost anything but the roads. its just income to the GVT
 
our roads are great considering the weather and amount of traffic that they have to put up with

to be a slight bit better huge amounts of money would have to be spent .

The roads in Japan are better than our roads.

and they pay higher taxes than the rest of the world for it , plenty of toll roads too , the roads in citys are no better than here and rural areas are worse than here

not sure if that 'better' myself , its certainly up for debate
 
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Some places they are great, some places they are terrible.

Its May now and pots holes from Dec/Jan have not been fixed so are getting bigger and bigger, a road near my had the white spray paint down to mark what was being fixed, the was weeks ago and now the white spray paint has eroded away.

I cycle a lot on the road and its very worrying having cars fly past you and dodging pot holes.
 
I'm in Bexley. What exactly do you do for conway? Office work or actual road repair? If the latter, then quite frankly I'm astonished that you don't see what I'm saying. A lot of Conway drivers are morons, and that's a fact as far as I'm concerned. As you're local, you may know some of the places I'm describing so I'll give you some examples, as you're so keen to take up my complaints.

I work in the office. I can't speak for the quality of work the term maintenance division carries out as they are involved all over London. However, I know that the projects our civils department have completed have always been held in high regard by London boroughs and have been praised for their excellence, and the quality of our tender submissions will very often outshine those of our competitors. Im not keen to take up your complaints as such, I just responded as I felt your attack on the company as a whole was a little unfair.

At crayford roundabout outside the shopping complex, Mr Conway man in a flatbed truck decided to force me into the wall because he was in the wrong lane, then called me a ****. Delightful chap he was.

Let's be honest, the roundabout you are describing is small and of terrible design. I don't think I've ever been round it and not been cut up or forced off my line in some way by another driver, not so much maliciously as by the simple bad layout of the road. Being abused isnt something we'd condone but then I cant speak without knowing the full details of the situation.

Conway men frequently stop for lunch in Hall Place on bourne road, which is very busy with families, old people etc. When entering/leaving, they drive dangerously fast, often on the phone, and don't seem to care about anyone except themselves.
Then there's just the general "white van man" attitude they take: tailgating, pulling out in front of you, pushing in front of queues and all that sort of stuff.

Again, I cant speak for the attitude of road crews because I don't go out on site and dont know them all personally. However, I would suggest that such behaviour is not unique to our workforce - the fact that you live close to our centre of operations means that the majority of constuction traffic will be ours, so of course you think it's just us that have truck drivers with poor discipline. Im willing to wager that you also drive past a high percentage of our trucks everyday being driven very well, but you wouldn't say that because you only remember the incidents where you have a complaint.

For example, I live in Gravesend where Ringway are currently engaged in a project to resurface and rebuild a large portion of the civic square and one way system. Every morning for the past few months Ive have to put up with their construction traffic and a lot of their drivers are also inconsiderate tossers, who pull out without looking, or seem to forget that their current site is a live road. That doesnt mean every Ringway worker is a ******, I probably go past a much higher proportion of their workforce with no problem and dont even notice.

And, on top of that, they don't even do a good job - they just pour tarmac into holes and leave it and lo and behold, a couple of months down the line the hole re-appears.

Again, I cant speak for the quality of every road repair we do - I am just reporting that from what I hear, in general, the work our surfacing crews have done has been very good. Of course, there will be instances where our work is not up to scratch. That isnt a problem peculiar to just us. Remeber, that our term maintenance contract basically means we go out and patch potholes - this is never an ideal solution, the best method is to resurface the area in question. But the council wont just let us go out and close roads to do a proper job - they want the potholes filled as quickly and cheaply as possible. So patching is the only option, and other contractors who patch repairs in a similar way will have the same problem. That's a problem with the approach to road repair in general, not just our company.

I guess there is one positive outcome that this thread has produced though - I had previously assumed there was no point complaining to conway as they wouldn't give a ****, but as you seem to think otherwise, I'll take the number of the next one that annoys me and make a complaint. :)

Please do! Like most companies, reputation is important - if you have a problem with the attitude of a driver, or the quality of work, try ringing central services and lodging a complaint. Im sure it would be upheld if it is resonable and justified.

I didn't intend to deal with your complaint directly, I just wanted to let you know that the experiences you describe are not as widespread as you seem to think and that uncouth behaviour from truck drivers is not something unique to Conway.
 
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a recent set of road works here took a couple years to complete but the completed road is beautiful. its a shame the connecting roads are akin to the surface of the moon!

makes me really wonder why i bother lowering cars
 
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