All currently available apollo moon footage

[Glaucus]

If there is strong tracking evidence, maybe the module was indeed sent into moon orbit...but unmanned (as no-one could survive radiation). Sending a manned mission was beyond the possible.

Just a theory, I only have peoples word from it that things were tracked well.. Kind of strange offical tracking stations were switched at last minute if I remember.

Oh dear, the old radiation theory. You may want to go read up on the radiation belt, how long the Apollo missions where in it and how long they where in it . The radiation is not huge, as shown by the experiments done prevues to find out what the radiation levels are.

That's the probable with Ct theories especially with the moon, every single point is wrong and is easily shown to be wrong.

Oh god now you've started me off.

 

[JRS]

Radiation shielding from a lightweight craft made of aluminium would have been non existant btw

Actually, the insulation in the 'walls' of the Apollo CSM was more than adequate at protecting from the high-engery protons that are the main danger with the Van Allen belts. Plus, the course that the Apollo missions took had them travel where the belts are at their thinnest.

 

[Combat squirrel]

To the OP -

Just started watching a TV series called When We Left Earth - looks good.

Awesome ill check that out, I watched all the other ones

If there is strong tracking evidence, maybe the module was indeed sent into moon orbit...but unmanned (as no-one could survive radiation). Sending a manned mission was beyond the possible.

Just a theory, I only have peoples word from it that things were tracked well.. Kind of strange offical tracking stations were switched at last minute if I remember.

How on earth do you know we couldnt survive the radiation? been up there and tested it yourself? Those that have been have tested it and its fine, its no worse than a couple of x-rays dose when you pass through it, of course understanding dose levels of radiation requires scientific knowledge not scaremongering hearsay that think as soon as you say 'radiation' OMGZ were all going to die. Tracking stations ? last minute ? what now ? were you there in 1969 driving between every station ? Now that IS unbelievable.

At the time of the landings though USSR probably had resources available if current tech allowed such a undertaking, I still can't believe they did not try

The very fact that the two powers were at loggerheads for 'world firsts' make faking even more attractive.

Just my 2p


edit: didn't China also recently get caught out faking space walks ? (or maybe that was just a fake in itself)

Christ almight again, yes the russians did try to go to the moon, they tried very hard, they blew up 4 russian N1 rockets in the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N1_rocket

Its just they didnt have the systematic patience and testing regime the americans had and tried to hurry it along when the USA was getting ahead, as it was hurried they made mistakes constantly.

At the time they never admitted they were trying and just said they were not interesting in going to the moon, when they infact as you can see from the above link were very much interested in doing so - when they didnt make it in time they gave up, and as they never admitted it to the world they were trying no embarrased faces.


ARE YOU GETTING IT YET ? , im trying my best here to save your rational mind, the process of how you , process information. No china didnt fake it, I dont get there's loads of people on here telling you FACTS (not opinion) and yet you listen to hearsay like 'china faked it' and accept it almost instantly, we need to reboot your brain sonny.

 

[Flukester]

Oh dear, the old radiation theory. You may want to go read up on the radiation belt, how long the Apollo missions where in it and how long they where in it . The radiation is not huge, as shown by the experiments done prevues to find out what the radiation levels are.

That's the probable with Ct theories especially with the moon, every single point is wrong and is easily shown to be wrong.

Oh god now you've started me off.

None of us here are experts enough in any of this to debunk a theory like radiation. You believe XYZ expert, I believe others... doesn't make either of our beliefs any less plausible (or wrong to have)

 

[Pete19s]

Actually, the insulation in the 'walls' of the Apollo CSM was more than adequate at protecting from the high-engery protons that are the main danger with the Van Allen belts. Plus, the course that the Apollo missions took had them travel where the belts are at their thinnest.

Quiet you, who do you think you are? Stephen Hawkings?

 

[Flukester]

How on earth do you know we couldnt survive the radiation? been up there and tested it yourself?

thats a curious way of looking at things... have you ?

i've heard some experts say so... as you have heard others say it's fine

 

[Glaucus]

None of us here are experts enough in any of this to debunk a theory like radiation. You believe XYZ expert, I believe others... doesn't make either of our beliefs any less plausible (or wrong to have)

Let's see which side actually has the numbers and experiments and let's see which side says x and has nothing to back it up with.

Why not even start with the most basic and start here which goes through some of the most popular conspiracies and the counter argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories#Photograph_and_film_oddities

The spacecraft moved through the belts in about four hours, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the aluminium hulls of the spacecraft. Furthermore, the orbital transfer trajectory from Earth to the Moon through the belts was chosen to lessen radiation exposure. Even Dr James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions.[68] Plait cited an average dose of less than 1*rem (10*mSv), which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.[69] The spacecraft passed through the intense inner belt and the low-energy outer belt. The total radiation received on the trip was about the same as allowed for workers in the nuclear energy field for a year.[70]
The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that 33 of the 36 Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have developed early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip.[71] At least 39 former astronauts have developed cataracts; 36 of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo missions.[72]

 

[Combat squirrel]

None of us here are experts enough in any of this to debunk a theory like radiation. You believe XYZ expert, I believe others... doesn't make either of our beliefs any less plausible (or wrong to have)

Well your in luck im a radiation expert, I work in the medical industry. Hell you don't even need to be an expert to understand radiation doses and the process of them, 99% of people on here, even you can understand them when given the correct education, hell even wikipedia as long as its not been trolled will give you basic radiation understanding and its basic relation to human health.

The key here is you go educate yourself, find ratified evidence of van allen belt rad doses from various sources and you 2 will be enlighted and say, oh yeah, its ok its safe.

 

[Pete19s]

Oh and to get this back on topic, sort of. Yesterday have been showing Nasa: Triumph & Tragedy the last couple of days. I would suspect given how much they like to repeat things it will be on again during the week.

 

[Combat squirrel]

thats a curious way of looking at things... have you ?

i've heard some experts say so... as you have heard others say it's fine

Have you read my giant post above with the link for the N1 rocket ?

 

[Flukester]

Read the links, interesting stuff huh.

I still don't believe it happened and probably never will, it's a lovely idea though.

 

[Combat squirrel]

Read the links, interesting stuff huh.

I still don't believe it happened and probably never will, it's a lovely idea though.

Give me £4000 and ill tell you the real truths of this world my very lost and confused friend, thats a bargain that, now now hand over the money, want to do a bank transfer ?

Here ya are:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1491301153783337827#

watch that

 

[Flukester]

Well your in luck im a radiation expert, I work in the medical industry. Hell you don't even need to be an expert to understand radiation doses and the process of them, 99% of people on here, even you can understand them when given the correct education, hell even wikipedia as long as its not been trolled will give you basic radiation understanding and its basic relation to human health.

The key here is you go educate yourself, find ratified evidence of van allen belt rad doses from various sources and you 2 will be enlighted and say, oh yeah, its ok its safe.

What area in medical industry do you work btw (I also at one time was) ?, it would be interesting to see how close it is to the study of things, you know, in space.

 

[Flukester]

Give me £4000 and ill tell you the real truths of this world my very lost and confused friend, thats a bargain that, now now hand over the money, want to do a bank transfer ?

 

[SexyGreyFox]

Read the links, interesting stuff huh.

I still don't believe it happened and probably never will, it's a lovely idea though.

So you don't believe man has ever gone into space?

Oh and can you explain how Russia were fooled please?

 

[Combat squirrel]

What area in medical industry do you work btw (I also at one time was) ?, it would be interesting to see how close it is to the study of things, you know, in space.

Immunodiagnostics, used to use radioimmunoassay back in the day.

How did you work in the medical industry and not have a scientific mind ? Hope to god no one got sick on your watch.

 

[orderoftheflame]

To the OP -

Just started watching a TV series called When We Left Earth - looks good.

Is this this the Nasa's Greatest Missions series, narrated by Gary Sinise? It's very good. Quite moving when it covers some of the disasters.

 

[JRS]

Flukester - do me a favour, go read Andy Chaikin's book "A Man On The Moon" and then come back and tell me the Apollo missions were faked. Hell, read "Lost Moon" while you're at it, and then come back and tell me that Jim Lovell and his crew weren't on the way to the Moon on Apollo 13 when that oxygen tank grenaded itself.

And if you could come up with a slightly more convincing argument that doesn't involve re-stating debunked theories, bad science, un-truths and insanely large leaps of illogic as usually happens when hoax theorists try and say that man never went to the Moon, that'd be so great.

 

[Angilion]

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Calling people 'dumb' and 'stupid' for having a different viewpoint is small minded and more troll like than those who are meant to be the trolls.
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I'm not calling you dumb and stupid for having a different viewpoint.

I'm calling you gullible and foolish because in the face of all evidence you continue to believe something at best ludicrously improbable and more likely impossible, simply because you've been told to do so by people you deem to be an authority.

 

[Angilion]

If there is strong tracking evidence, maybe the module was indeed sent into moon orbit...but unmanned (as no-one could survive radiation). Sending a manned mission was beyond the possible.

Where is this radiation you refer to?

You're going to mention the Van Allen belt, aren't you?

Are you really suggesting that everyone who has measured it in any way is a dedicated liar of the conspiracy, including van Allen himself?

Just how many people do you think are involved in this perfect conspiracy? You're already up to at least tens of thousands, including the leaders of countries that were bitter enemies at the time.

You're also claiming that the USA had technology in 1969 that was far more advanced than anything known to exist. You may not realise you're making that claim, but you are. The technology required to fake the moon landings is more advanced than the technology required to do them for real.

The basis of your belief is your impression that the technology that really existed in 1969 is primitive from the point of view of 2011 and so you think it was too primitive to have done the job (despite the many thousands of experts far more familiar with it than you who decided that it was capable of doing the job).

Your best argument is akin to those people who assume that Stonehenge must have been made by aliens because humans at the time didn't have modern technology to move the stones.