Madeleine McCann's parents

Biohazard · 13 May 2011 at 20:06

Athanor said:
please show me where in this thread I said you are a liar.

Nice to see your version of events still bares no relation to reality. "Which people in the other thread asked me to stop posting? link? No one said "I was the only person with a problem with you". One person said they have no problem with your tone. Hardly the same thing

In the silly exchanges above. If you can't remember what you've written what is the point in all this?

And that "one" person just so happened to be the person whom I'd been having that particular discussion with before your ill-thought interjection. No one had a problem with my apparent "tone" apart from you, and you weren't even apart of that discussion.

No one else was running around calling me anti-english for apparently ignoring the other UK nations to concentrate on England.

Biohazard · 13 May 2011 at 20:08

pmbuzz said:
Yea, just like Jo Yeates' landlord Owain George and he definitely did it, didn't he ?

What has this got to do with anything anyone here says though really?

The case was different, and I'd guess a few people in here didn't even comment on that specific few days. I know I certainly didn't.

Macro · 13 May 2011 at 20:18

Biohazard said:
In the silly exchanges above. If you can't remember what you've written what is the point in all this?

And that "one" person just so happened to be the person whom I'd been having that particular discussion with before your ill-thought interjection. No one had a problem with my apparent "tone" apart from you, and you weren't even apart of that discussion.

No one else was running around calling me anti-english for apparently ignoring the other UK nations to concentrate on England.

I think we've established your whole tirade in this thread was because you didn't like a post in SC.... Now just let it go...

Greebo · 13 May 2011 at 20:25

elmuzzy66. said:
Hope that after the uk police finish with their investigation they bring charges agaisnt the McCanns.

Interestly enough I heard on radio 4 tonight on the way home that the specialist branch of scotland yard into child murders is doing the review. Either they don;t have a specialist team for child kidnapping/abduction or that is quite a telling choice. Anyway, they will have to get all the files translated, re-interview people and it will cost a fortune whatever the result.

Craig1981 said:
Exactly! You dont leave kids alone for hours at a time, regardless of what your doing. You either take them out with you or you leave someone behind to watch them.

They should have faced criminal charges for their utter neglegance.

Yep. They McCanns have stated they were other couples with kids in the Tapas bar and passed comment they were glad they were out without theirs and could enjoy themselves. :rolleyes:

Twentyone · 13 May 2011 at 20:25

pmbuzz said:
Yea, just like Jo Yeates' landlord Owain George and he definitely did it, didn't he ?

I would say people judging the landlord on appearance only is a bit different than judging two people who has so much pointing against what they say happened that night.

After it happened it's like they right away set up a long term plan to keep in the media rather than actually look for their daughter. As if they knew she was never going to be found. Of course people are going to question what they do.

lttlejoe · 13 May 2011 at 20:25

vonhelmet said:
If they were going to bring charges, I'm sure they would have done so by now. I can't see them doing it now, unless they're deliberately waiting right until whatever statute of limitations exists is about to expire just on the off chance that she turns up.

Possibly, but isn't it more likely that the British courts can't bring charges as the act of child neglect/negligence took place in another country?

Greebo · 13 May 2011 at 20:27

JHeaton said:
Apparently it's nearly impossible to get rid of by cleaning.

Yep that;s the advantage as the dogs can still smell it even after washed but again, why take your daughter's favourite toy into an autopsy in the first place?

Robbo · 13 May 2011 at 20:27

pmbuzz said:
Yea, just like Jo Yeates' landlord Owain George and he definitely did it, didn't he ?

Craig1981 · 13 May 2011 at 20:30

Greebo said:
Yep. They McCanns have stated they were other couples with kids in the Tapas bar and passed comment they were glad they were out without theirs and could enjoy themselves.

Disgusting. I remember back when this first happened my mum made a comment about them. She said that she would NEVER in a million years leave me alone. We used to go to Spain pretty much every year. When I was really small she would wheel me around in my buggy and let me sleep while they have fun. When I was bigger they would take me to family friendly venues and load me up on soft drinks/snacks to keep me occupied.

There is no excuse at all for what they did. I'd have thrown the book at them if I'd have the opportunity. And theres no way in hell I'm ever supporting them by buying their book.

marin · 13 May 2011 at 20:32

I checked the wardrobe in the children's room. I ran into the kitchen, throwing open all the cupboard doors, into our bedroom, searching the wardrobes, in and out of the bathroom, all in about 15 seconds, before hurtling out through the patio doors and down towards Gerry and our friends.
As soon as our table was in sight I started screaming. "Madeleine's gone! Someone's taken her!"

The above statement by Kate McCann makes no sense to me, so you know that one child has been abducted, you would go outside and scream blue murder until someone come to you, you would not leave your other children alone, but she leaves the other two kids (again!) and runs off back to the Tapas Bar!

Greebo · 13 May 2011 at 20:34

It was past midnight when the GNR warned the Polícia Judiciária. I was immediately informed and took the appropriate measures. Searches were carried out in the region, the Spanish authorities were warned, and the borders were controlled. The largest search operation ever to be carried out in Portugal was organised.

If that is correct from the Portuguse police then how did the Guardian by midnight post up a report on their webiste about the abduction and stated the British consulate had already been contacted and the were on site assisting?

You really call the British Embassey before the local police to report a kidnapping?

cheets64 · 13 May 2011 at 20:40

Craig1981 said:
Disgusting. I remember back when this first happened my mum made a comment about them. She said that she would NEVER in a million years leave me alone. We used to go to Spain pretty much every year. When I was really small she would wheel me around in my buggy and let me sleep while they have fun. When I was bigger they would take me to family friendly venues and load me up on soft drinks/snacks to keep me occupied.

There is no excuse at all for what they did. I'd have thrown the book at them if I'd have the opportunity. And theres no way in hell I'm ever supporting them by buying their book.

This, we went to Corfu when I was 5 and stayed up late, took two prams with us one for me and sister, if we fell asleep, put in the prams, the parents had a drink, chatted then push us back home. Went away in 2008 with parents and sister and niece and we never left her in the apartment once, we would stay out with her and someone would go back with her to go to bed or stay up.

They got rid of the kids during the day in a nursery/club while they played tennis then got rid of them at night while they got drunk, you take your kids on holiday to be with them.

teejay73 · 13 May 2011 at 20:40

Craig1981 said:
Disgusting. I remember back when this first happened my mum made a comment about them. She said that she would NEVER in a million years leave me alone. We used to go to Spain pretty much every year. When I was really small she would wheel me around in my buggy and let me sleep while they have fun. When I was bigger they would take me to family friendly venues and load me up on soft drinks/snacks to keep me occupied.

There is no excuse at all for what they did. I'd have thrown the book at them if I'd have the opportunity. And theres no way in hell I'm ever supporting them by buying their book.

Spot on mate, as a parent you have a moral obligation to ensure your childs safety, regardless of how safe you think they are! In this day and age my 3 children stay with us 24/7, whether we are in the uk or abroad. Both myself and my partner discussed what our reaction would be if we ever lost one of our children at the time of Maddies disappearance and it was in complete contrast to that of the Mcanns, something that we thought was weird and a little disturbing at the time.

Rameses · 13 May 2011 at 20:41

Hmmm not so sure getting the PM on board for him to ask the MET to help is the right thing to do for ONE case.

I read today a comment from someones Facebook about this (yes, lolfacebook) and a guy made a good point.

Say this was a young single mother who'd lost her child it wouldn't be on any tv networks etc, a small column inch or so that'd be it, cast aside with the other missing children out there.

The PM could have given support to the networks already out there who help find missing children, not to single out a case and refer it to the MET. :/

cheets64 · 13 May 2011 at 20:45

AmTechFox said:
Hmmm not so sure getting the PM on board for him to ask the MET to help is the right thing to do for ONE case.

I read today a comment from someones Facebook about this (yes, lolfacebook) and a guy made a good point.

Say this was a young single mother who'd lost her child it wouldn't be on any tv networks etc, a small column inch or so that'd be it, cast aside with the other missing children out there.

The PM could have given support to the networks already out there who help find missing children, not to single out a case and refer it to the MET. :/

Shocking how much the police are being forced into it by politics and Murdochs media, someone from the police needs to come out and say, enough is enough, the country cant afford a million pound investigation, you live and you learn.

JHeaton · 13 May 2011 at 20:45

Greebo said:
Yep that;s the advantage as the dogs can still smell it even after washed but again, why take your daughter's favourite toy into an autopsy in the first place?

You don't.

Greebo said:
If that is correct from the Portuguse police then how did the Gardian by midnight post up a report on their webiste about the abduction and stated the British consulate had already been contacted and the were on site assisting?

You really call the British Embassey before the local police to report a kidnapping?

You don't.

I spent much of the day reading that "60 Reasons" thing and it adds up with a lot of the things read as the case went on and pretty much sums up how I feel. One of the things that gets me the most is that none of them went out looking for her that night, even though hundreds of others (who wouldn't have known the girl anywhere near as well as her parents, or even their friends). The other is that having just supposedly lost one child by leaving them unattended in an unsecured apartment, she then proceeds to do the very same thing with the other two, despite being sure straight away that Madeleine had been abducted and nothing else.

lttlejoe · 13 May 2011 at 20:50

OK... supposing we accept for a moment that those who suggest that the McCanns killed Maddie are correct... where the hell did they hide the body and why hasn't it been found?

I'm quite sure that whole surrounding area will have been gone over with a fine tooth comb - probably more than in a regular disappearance, especially with Maddie being so young!
Also, when did her parents have the opportunity to dispose of her body and where did they hide it?

Twentyone · 13 May 2011 at 20:53

AmTechFox said:
The PM could have given support to the networks already out there who help find missing children, not to single out a case and refer it to the MET. :/

Have to agree.

lttlejoe said:
Also, when did her parents have the opportunity to dispose of her body and where did they hide it?

Last report of someone outside the family seeing her was during the day. If anything did happen they could have had hours to come up with a plan.

teejay73 · 13 May 2011 at 20:54

cheets64 said:
Shocking how much the police are being forced into it by politics and Murdochs media, someone from the police needs to come out and say, enough is enough, the country cant afford a million pound investigation, you live and you learn.

I am sure the PM aides will put some spin on it, to warrant the expenditure and if Murdochs empire is so keen why dont they fund it, seeing as they have a lot to gain from the exposure of the case being re-opened.

I find it hard to believe that they will uncover any truth from all this, let alone find her alive or her body. Will justice be served for anyone involved in Maddies disappearance, I doubt it and the questions and finger pointing will continue for an age. A shame really, as this needs closure for the sake of Maddie.

teejay73 · 13 May 2011 at 21:04

Twentyone said:
Have to agree.

Last report of someone outside the family seeing her was during the day. If anything did happen they could have had hours to come up with a plan.

Then begs the question of potential involvment by their friends, as they to were checking on all the kids that were with the party, whatever the case maybe, there is an awfull lot that the McCanns know that we dont, because certain things just dont add up and given the timescale of Maddies last reported sighting does give them plenty of time to get out of the area and dispose of the body somewhere completly isolated, if that were the case.