Little bit of feedback on building costs pls.

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Could someone please tell me if these are reasonable?

Plastering 12.94 per m2 for 13mm thick two coat plaster

Provide and fix 12.5 mm thick Gyproc

On walls 10.28 /m2
On sloping ceiling 12.22
On ceiling 11.50

Provide and fix two layers of 12.5mm gyproc fireline board 16.76 /m2

Tiling 40 quid m2

Painting walls 3.85 / m2

Electrical
Supply and install 13amp double sockets including wiring back to mains - 50 pounds each
30 amp socket 155 pounds

FIX only and wire back spot lights 57.50


This would be part of a massive project which will be given to a single contractor.
 
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If tiling excludes the tiles then that's expensive. I have just organised my boss's swimming pool with mosiac tiles mixed with others and the cost was £28 per m2
Oh and I still always get 3 quotes for everything! ;)

Even my own house I had £1200 as the cheapest plumber and £2300 for the dearest. That's a hell of a difference.

Good site here:

http://www.buildingsheriff.com/plastering-walls-costs.html

I was lucky with my house and got a plaster plus mate to do it on weekends for £200 per day so a 65 m2 room of plaster cost me £400 so about £6 per metre :)

However the plaster price looks pretty spot on IMO
 
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Yep the problem is that I have had 4 quotes in for the complete project but each person only quoted with a total price. I only got a breakdown from the one guy we want to go with.
 
Those electrical prices seem really cheap??

How close to mains is the room? 13x double sockets back to mains, the cable alone has to be more than £50 surely?
 
Those electrical prices seem really cheap??

How close to mains is the room? 13x double sockets back to mains, the cable alone has to be more than £50 surely?

agreed:

"Electrical
Supply and install 13 double socket including wiring back to mains - 50 pounds
30 amp socket 155 pounds"


supply and install AND wire back to mains?

Sockets are around £12 for a box of ten mate....Also.....

- wiring back to mains? does that mean you're having a new ring main istalled? 13 sockets on one circuit should ideally be on a ring main (32A)

- Also, BS7671 requires that RCD protection is present in your existing mains board and also you main earth readings are within limits to allow the RCD to disconnect quickly enough under fault conditions
Your main equipotential bonding *(Gas and water) must also be up to standard. Gas and water should be 10mm earth cable. Main bond usually 10mm for a Rod, 16mm for PME/ TNCS

in summary, if he's installing a new circuit, then the above needs to be tested and a cert. provided.

Also:

"30A socket = £155" ?

all sockets will do 30A mate - just depends weather they are on a radial (16A or 20A circuit) or 32A for a ring main. Regardless, both are wired using 2.5mm twin and earth cable.

This is basic schoolboy stuff to any half decent spark. It is your absolute right to expect this stuff to be looked at, planned, tested and certified so make sure you ask.

The first thing any spark should be doing before touching ANYTHING electrical in your house is assessing:

RCD protection present
Main earth tested and withing standard
Presence and tesing of Gas and water bonds
Overall condition of existing wiring/ installation i.e IS IT SAFE?

looking at your description, if he's installing a new 13 socket ring main inc wiring and materials, £50 is FAR too cheap. Also, for a domestic premisies, 13 sockets on one ring seems a little large. For convenience sake, Id install 2 separate circuits then if on has a problem, you can always keep the second powered up.

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Just read this:

sorry that should be 13amp socket at 50 quid each total of 40 sockets

Now that seems expensive. Most sparks usually charge install of the Circuit (i.e new ring main inc, cable, MCB, testing and cert) at say £150, then a say £10 - £20 per socket....UNLESS there is an EPIC amount of time and effort involve lifting floorboards, crawling under floors, chasing out walls, climbing in lofts etc. Obviously Job specific stuff which is difficult to gauge without at least some pictures ;)

The plastering prices look pretty good mate to be honest....if he comes recommended I'd go with that.
 
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It is a complete new build so there is nothing there, I think the total cost of all the electrical work is around 16 000 including everything

All the floors are coming up anyway so there is no allowance for this part of the job as it has been charged for separately. There should be no chasing of the walls as.

This is what it looks like now
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010492.jpg

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010496.jpg


Thanks for taking the time to respond both of you.
 
It is a complete new build so there is nothing there, I think the total cost of all the electrical work is around 16 000 including everything

All the floors are coming up anyway so there is no allowance for this part of the job as it has been charged for separately. There should be no chasing of the walls as.

This is what it looks like now
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010492.jpg

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/ab283/nastytooth/P1010496.jpg


Thanks for taking the time to respond both of you.

Ah..new builds....doddle to wire :D

And 60 pages does seem a bit epic :D

where is is? I'll beat £16K :D
 
£16K sounds like too much for the electrics. I had my house totally rewired including lighting and more than 40 doubles sockets for £6k. That was "mates" rates though but still £16k is an awful lot! Take AndyocUK up on his offer ;)
 
I dont know how we managed to get to 60 pages but there is a lot to do. I have a full thread about it, nothing much has been done because we had some legal problems and some money problems but both have been solved this week so we should be able to push on very very soon.

EDIT: its a flat close to chesterfield, we will NOT be doing any of the PV stuff!!

Here are scans of the tender.
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prices of that BoQ extract seem very high and the electrical fittings section havent been priced they have just banged in 57.50 against everything.
 
prices of that BoQ extract seem very high and the electrical fittings section havent been priced they have just banged in 57.50 against everything.

Not uncommon, some are up some are down overall it'll work out.

I work with builders that charge £80 socket
 
Maybe I'm used to doing things on a whole different scale but sockets and the like go in at around £20 in a first fix building those prices are more akin to work in a completed house where the make good raises the price.
 
Maybe I'm used to doing things on a whole different scale but sockets and the like go in at around £20 in a first fix building those prices are more akin to work in a completed house where the make good raises the price.

We charge per socket then for the board only, the £80 includes everything else wiring certification first and second fix etc then add anything special
 
Maybe I'm used to doing things on a whole different scale but sockets and the like go in at around £20 in a first fix building those prices are more akin to work in a completed house where the make good raises the price.

my thoughts exactly mate.

I've 1st fixed flats like that with just me and a mate in a weekend. There does look to be a lot of fancy stuff with PIR light switching, kitchen appliances etc which may mean a "3rd fix" once the kitchen fiters are ready.
 
I'm a chartered surveyor, this is my bread and butter if you want some help email me the details, greensurveying @ gmail . com

Thanks for the offer I may just do that when I get a little further down the road.

prices of that BoQ extract seem very high and the electrical fittings section havent been priced they have just banged in 57.50 against everything.

My plan was to ask him to reprice it with me supplying the sockets.

Is it worth paying for MK sockets over something like Hamilton or varilight.

Overall Does it look too expensive?

To give you an idea the plastering is a total of 8.4k and plaster boarding another 15k. I just feel that I am not getting much discount considering the scale of the project.
 
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