Britain out of Ireland!

Tefal · 17 May 2011 at 23:18

RationalGaze said:
Why do some Irish people have such a problem with being part of the UK/England? Wales and Scotland seem to be doing quite well out of the whole arrangement.

Indeed, *** an independent Wales tbh.

Hell tbh I think we need to get rid of the retarded welsh assembly, all we've gotten out of it is a slightly more incompetent grade of politician who can't compete in the national league but we now have to pay for 2 levels of management.

rpg · 17 May 2011 at 23:19

Frame352 said:
but despite several complaints made against the many offensive posts in this thread, nothing is done. Quel surprise.

With this being the worst one...

Mucky_Pup said:
Amazing for target pratice as well.

But it is nice to know there's just as many idiots here in the the UK, as there is in Ireland. GD never fails to deliver.

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:20

Castiel said:
There is a Welsh league, some Welsh clubs play in the English leagues, but they are still Welsh Clubs and there is still a Welsh Football League run bit the Welsh Football Association.

I am aware of that, but at the very top level the Welsh teams play in the English league.

Castiel said:
The point I was making is that there are no such thing as British Football Clubs, as there is no such thing as a British Football Association so they should be referred to as Scottish as they are affiliated to the Scottish FA which is totally independent from either the Welsh or English FA.

Scotland is part of Great Britain, Celtic is in Scotland, hence it is a 'British club', just like Rangers, Manchester United, Liverpool, Spurs, Cardiff, Belfast etc etc etc.

Scuzi said:
Hundreds of years of oppression probably has something to do with it. For those who live in the past it's still sore. For the rest of us, it's history.

A lot of people, especially in the north, tend to focus on what happened hundreds of years ago an rather than focusing on what should happen now and in the future.

Those who live in the past? The idiots who complain about British rule complain about stuff that finished ~270 YEARS before they were born. Oppression? These daft ****ers don't know the meaning of the word!

Scuzi · 17 May 2011 at 23:27

Dabbles said:
Those who live in the past? The idiots who complain about British rule complain about stuff that finished ~270 YEARS before they were born. Oppression? These daft ****ers don't know the meaning of the word!

You should research the subject more before making such assertions.

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:30

Scuzi said:
You should research the subject more before making such assertions.

Pardon? In what way are the Irish oppressed by the British?

Brian8bit · 17 May 2011 at 23:33

Dabbles said:
Pardon? In what way are the Irish oppressed by the British?

You mean aside from the hundreds of years of British oppression in Ireland that continued right up until the war of Independence and continued in the North under the Unionist majority and sparked the civil rights movement?

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:38

Brian8bit said:
You mean aside from the hundreds of years of British oppression in Ireland that continued right up until the war of Independence and continued in the North under the Unionist majority and sparked the civil rights movement?

The war of independence that finished 100 years ago?

If the Irish want away from Britain they can move to Ireland.

Souleh · 17 May 2011 at 23:38

Sickboy said:
Maybe best that your front man is not wearing a British football top, with the proceeds of buying it going into the United Kingdoms economy, while holding a banner asking for Britain to be removed from Ireland.

Mind you, he's probably from Northern Ireland, works for the council, gets paid in the British Pound, enjoys his free NHS and drove 120 mile into a different country be offended by an Old British woman while wearing a British football top.

He’ll have a few Newcastle Brown Ales tonight to calm his nerves.

Brilliant post OP!

Loving the armchair experts in here too

Scuzi · 17 May 2011 at 23:39

Oh dear. Here we go.

Gerard · 17 May 2011 at 23:41

What an amazing Trainwreck of a thread.

Castiel · 17 May 2011 at 23:41

Dabbles said:
Scotland is part of Great Britain, Celtic is in Scotland, hence it is a 'British club', just like Rangers, Manchester United, Liverpool, Spurs, Cardiff, Belfast etc etc etc.

That implies that there is a British Football Association, there is not, thus they are not British Clubs but English, Scottish and Welsh respectively depending upon which football association they belong to.

What the political makeup of the British Isles is, is irrelevant. They are not British clubs, as there is no British recognition in association football, hence no British National Team.

Brian8bit · 17 May 2011 at 23:41

Dabbles said:
The war of independence that finished 100 years ago?

If the Irish want away from Britain they can move to Ireland.

The war of independence might have finished 100 years ago, but continued oppression by the Unionist majority in the North continued well into the 60s, 70s and 80s. Saying "if they want away from Britain they can move across the border" is as stupid as saying "if they want to be ruled by England they can get on a boat and go back there". People live and have been entrenched here for hundreds of years, through the **** from both sides. It's their home. Regardless of their political and religious leanings.

spudbynight · 17 May 2011 at 23:44

RationalGaze said:
Why do some Irish people have such a problem with being part of the UK/England? Wales and Scotland seem to be doing quite well out of the whole arrangement.

Having lived in Ireland for a long time the bulk of the people who have an issue are poorly educated and from disadvantaged backgrounds. It is really only a problem of the underclass.

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:45

Castiel said:
That implies that there is a British Football Association, there is not, thus they are not British Clubs but English, Scottish and Welsh respectively depending upon which football association they belong to.

What the political makeup of the British Isles is, is irrelevant. They are not British clubs, as there is no British recognition in association football, hence no British National Team.

No, it doesn't. LA Galaxy are an American 'football' team, but there isn't an 'American League' as that would cover the whole of North and South America. They are part of the USA 'Soccer' League. Barcelona are a European team, but there isn't a 'European league'.

Brian8bit said:
The war of independence might have finished 100 years ago, but continued oppression by the Unionist majority in the North continued well into the 60s, 70s and 80s. Saying "if they want away from Britain they can move across the border" is as stupid as saying "if they want to be ruled by England they can get on a boat and go back there". People live and have been entrenched here for hundreds of years, through the **** from both sides. It's their home. Regardless of their political and religious leanings.

The 80s that finished 31 years ago now? Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, like it or lump it.

rpg · 17 May 2011 at 23:45

Early 70's was a nasty time in Northern Ireland alright. I'd be fairly sure there are people still living in Ireland affected by events such as the ones below. I think it's understandable that some disdain towards the British runs in their blood.

Ballymurphy Massacre (1971)
Bloody Sunday (1972)
Springhill Massacre (1972)

spudbynight · 17 May 2011 at 23:49

Castiel said:
That implies that there is a British Football Association, there is not, thus they are not British Clubs but English, Scottish and Welsh respectively depending upon which football association they belong to.

What the political makeup of the British Isles is, is irrelevant. They are not British clubs, as there is no British recognition in association football, hence no British National Team.

Sean Connery is a Scottish actor right? Scotland has no international recognition as a sovereign nation but it is still acceptable to call Shir Shean a Scot. He is Scottish AND British.

Celtic is a British football club even though there is no British FA. Celtic are a British AND and a Scottish football club.

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:49

rpg said:
Early 70's was a nasty time in Northern Ireland alright. I'd be fairly sure there are people still living in Ireland affected by events such as the ones below. I think it's understandable that some disdain towards the British runs in their blood.

Ballymurphy Massacre (1971)
Bloody Sunday (1972)
Springhill Massacre (1972)

The republicans were just as bad, long after the 70s.

Theophany · 17 May 2011 at 23:50

spudbynight said:
Sean Connery is a Scottish actor right? Scotland has no international recognition as a sovereign nation but it is still acceptable to call Shir Shean a Scot. He is Scottish AND British.

Celtic is a British football club even though there is no British FA. Celtic are a British AND and a Scottish football club.

Not to single you out or anything, but this is all semantics. Frankly, it's irrelevant.

Dabbles · 17 May 2011 at 23:51

Theophany said:
Not to single you out or anything, but this is all semantics. Frankly, it's irrelevant.

As is the 'Britain in Ireland' thing. We're not.

Brian8bit · 17 May 2011 at 23:51

Dabbles said:
The 80s that finished 31 years ago now? Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom, like it or lump it.

And in the time from the 80s, people continued to be murdered because of their political views, their religious leanings and their respective careers right up until this year. You can't just "like it or lump it". Ireland and Britain have a history more complex than black and white.