Britain out of Ireland!

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 13:53

Castiel said:
you inferred I was an idiot.

No, I suggested you were a Troll as the only alternative I could see at the time was that you were stupid. Happily you confessed to being a Troll.

pingwing · 19 May 2011 at 13:53

spudbynight said:
There is a definitive answer. Celtic are BOTH a Scottish and a British football team.

On this logic then the Irish are also British

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:54

spudbynight said:
No, I am not a clinician but a member of my family does have Aspergers syndrome.

Then you should not really use the accusation in such a flippant and insulting manner. It is demeaning to those who have real issues with the condition, including the alleged member of your own family.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 13:55

Castiel said:
No one said it did, however the official recognition of the nationality of Celtic Football Club does.

That isn't in question. Celtic are without a doubt a Scottish club. Nobody is disputing that.

However in the English language it is perfectly correct to describe them as British. This is no way conflicts with them also being Scottish.

I have never encountered someone so obdurate as to attempt to disagree with a dictionary.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:56

spudbynight said:
No, I suggested you were a Troll as the only alternative I could see at the time was that you were stupid. Happily you confessed to being a Troll.

Actually as I have previously stated, you alleged I was a troll, yet it is you that exhibits the consistent behaviour of one, especially in regard to ignoring posts that are contrary to your opinion on whether I am trolling or just embarking on light hearted banter and debate.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 13:56

pingwing said:
On this logic then the Irish are also British

How so?

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 13:57

spudbynight said:
That isn't in question. Celtic are without a doubt a Scottish club. Nobody is disputing that..

Then that is that.

They are indeed a Scottish Club and technically they should be referred to as such.

I also never disagreed with the dictionary, I disagreed with your application of the definition, as I have explained before.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 13:57

Castiel said:
Then you should not really use the accusation in such a flippant and insulting manner. It is demeaning to those who have real issues with the condition, including the alleged member of your own family.

There is another member of these forums who suffers from a form of Autism I believe. I was asking a genuine question.

jas72 · 19 May 2011 at 13:58

Castiel said:
Cardiff have special dispensation from UEFA and FIFA. Something the old firm have yet to secure, and not from want of trying.

Really I was under the impression that both clubs make more money from Europe than they would in any other english league bar the premiership and there is simply no way the premiership would want these two teams. However I think from a purely political point of view that the best way of wiping out sectarianism from Scottish football would be to place Rangers and Celtic in a much wider football arena. Should they only play each other twice a year and have little chance of completing for titles together the fans could enjoy a better standard of football and less reason to be so resentful towards each other.

Of course another way would be to make schooling secular but that's another topic.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 13:59

Castiel said:
Actually as I have previously stated, you alleged I was a troll, yet it is you that exhibits the consistent behaviour of one, especially in regard to ignoring posts that are contrary to your opinion on whether I am trolling or just embarking on light hearted banter and debate.

I have attempted to answer any question directed at me. Unfortunately most of them have been you ignoring any points made by others.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 14:00

Castiel said:
Then that is that.

They are indeed a Scottish Club and technically they should be referred to as such.

I also never disagreed with the dictionary, I disagreed with your application of the definition, as I have explained before.

Are you or I members of FIFA, UEFA, the SFA or any other technical body involved with football.

On the assumption that none of us are then "technically" really doesn't come in to it.

pingwing · 19 May 2011 at 14:01

spudbynight said:
How so?

Well there are 2 responses.

1. McBain "that's the joke"

Or 2. Basically NI is still part of the UK and has lots of Irish people in it (whether they a. like it or b. accept it). So by being part of the UK and eligible to hold GB passports, being able to vote in UK elections regardless of nationality (that's just down to living at the right address) and generally following your Celtic are both British and Scottish, clearly the Irish are also British because they qualify through birth/where they live/who they are.

Its not as big a deal as many of my good friends have tried to make out, but the ultimate point is what ever "de Oirish" think they are more or less stuck with being a little bit British overall.

spudbynight · 19 May 2011 at 14:02

I am not going to post on this thread again as I might as well bang my head against a wall.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 14:02

Weebull said:
Whether it's all fabulously tongue-in-cheek and you're actually best buddies playing a game or not, it's still seriously tedious to read.

Maybe it is tedious to read, however it is fun to participate.

However, I confess that certain psoters are getting rather agitated and taking it far to seriously and thus resorting to attacking the posters rather than the post so I am of the opinion that it is indeed time to put the thread back on topic.

So feel free to post something referring directly to the OP and I will pick up from there rather than continuing with a largely semantic debate.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 14:04

spudbynight said:
Are you or I members of FIFA, UEFA, the SFA or any other technical body involved with football.

On the assumption that none of us are then "technically" really doesn't come in to it.

One last post on this topic.

We may not be directly involved or members of any of the relevant associations, however Celtic are and they are the focus of the debate, not you or I.

spudbynight said:
I have attempted to answer any question directed at me. Unfortunately most of them have been you ignoring any points made by others.

clearly, given the level of posts and the detail in which I have gone to illustrate my position, that is frankly a baseless accusation.

Cosimo · 19 May 2011 at 14:06

Cuchulain said:
Could you make another 100 or so posts with it in as I don't think everyone has got the message yet?

I'll leave that to someone else.

Castiel · 19 May 2011 at 14:11

jas72 said:
Really I was under the impression that both clubs make more money from Europe than they would in any other english league bar the premiership and there is simply no way the premiership would want these two teams. However I think from a purely political point of view that the best way of wiping out sectarianism from Scottish football would be to place Rangers and Celtic in a much wider football arena. Should they only play each other twice a year and have little chance of completing for titles together the fans could enjoy a better standard of football and less reason to be so resentful towards each other.

Of course another way would be to make schooling secular but that's another topic.

I agree with having a UK wide association and dismantling the home nations in that respect.

I do not think it will have the slightest effect on sectarianism, nor will secular schooling.

However there have been numerous times when it has been forwarded that the Old Firm clubs join the English leagues, but like you state the Premiership is not keen and it is unlikely that either could effectively compete with the top clubs in England the idea is not welcomes by the majority of Fans either.

It seems just a financial consideration.

Anyway I have said that I will not post on this topic any more as people are getting a little agitated.

Cuchulain · 19 May 2011 at 14:23

spudbynight said:
There is another member of these forums who suffers from a form of Autism I believe. I was asking a genuine question.

Me for one, it doesn't bother me that you asked him *shrug*

Metalface Mark · 19 May 2011 at 15:34

Castiel said:
However there have been numerous times when it has been forwarded that the Old Firm clubs join the English leagues, but like you state the Premiership is not keen and it is unlikely that either could effectively compete with the top clubs in England the idea is not welcomes by the majority of Fans either.

It seems just a financial consideration.

If the old firm were in the english premiership they could compete without a doubt, Celtic's fanbase rivals that of Manchester United (in the UK, not globally perhaps), which Rangers are not really that far behind although they are a smaller club, with the money from the premiership they would be able to compete for sure although money is no means a guarantee of sucess, but they could then attract the players that the likes of Tottenham or Aston Villa can without much problem.

The problem they would have is it would be unfair for every other team that they go straight into the premiership, they would have to start at the bottom and work their way up, otherwise its not fair. The old firm want it, the rest of the scottish clubs fans want it (a dream scenario really if we got rid of those two), the problem is, the English league doesnt need them or want them so we are stuck with them needing the rest of Scottish football despite not actually wanting them.