I wasn't calling him crazy due to the beliefs he may hold in regards to the world ending, but because he goes completely against what he claims to be following. It seems to have been given a lot of media attention probably just to discredit Christianity as a whole, but I don't think he could be any further away from Christianity if he tried.
So is the world going to end on Saturday 21st May
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I wasn't calling him crazy due to the beliefs he may hold in regards to the world ending, but because he goes completely against what he claims to be following. It seems to have been given a lot of media attention probably just to discredit Christianity as a whole, but I don't think he could be any further away from Christianity if he tried.
Except the only difference seems to be that he is putting a date to it. An incorrect date, but the rest of the details fit. So we are really suggesting he is crazy for putting a date to the mythical end of the world, but the mythical end of the world itself is absolutely sane?
I answered my own question, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_saecula_saeculorum
I always remembered the "World without end." quote and thought it contradictory, apparently it is said 19 times in the new testament; though now I think I understand it is not talking of the earth and instead means the universe? I need to go read some more.
I always remembered the "World without end." quote and thought it contradictory, apparently it is said 19 times in the new testament; though now I think I understand it is not talking of the earth and instead means the universe? I need to go read some more.
I have no real doubt that the world will indeed end at some point (and life on it probably sooner, human life probably sooner still) but not in the mythological way stated in Revelations. At the end of the day I ascribe Christian Mythology no greater or lesser status as Greek, Norse, Aztec or any of the other mythologies out there. (Though the Greek and Norse ones made better stories!) However I would suggest that Revelations is just as likely as Ragnarok (though with less heroism and no big ass wolves).
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(666 x 3) + 13 = 2011
Why 13?
There's various fairly technical details regarding our understanding of the apocalypse, but we probably agree on a fair few things. However, you are still ignoring the issues I'm pointing out in him cooking up this rubbish. It's foolish to try to set a date, as the bible (and I don't care for your opinion on that - you can see his stance on the bible and that's what matters) says no one can know the date, and it's also arguably actively sinful and blasphemous as it makes him a false prophet of the end of the age.
He is in no way representative of mainstream Christianity. He is far out on the fringes.
Pick a bad Hebrew word with a value of 13 and Bob's your uncle.
For reference, in Hebrew letters are also numbers, hence Hebrew words have numerical values and there's a fair bit of numerology in some Jewish groups.
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Still here.
And the viagra is still in effect. I'm determined that when the world does end I'll have an erection.
And the viagra is still in effect. I'm determined that when the world does end I'll have an erection.
I think the fundamental difference here is that I think him setting the date is the least of the nuttiness. It sort of pales into insignificance when compared to lots of people rising into the sky (figuratively or otherwise) and then Judgement Day. It seems to me that making fun of him because he has set a date to the general craziness is somewhat hypocritical if you believe in the general craziness.
I can fully understand that he is far away from mainstream Christianity (and even possibly heretical) because of his belief on the when, but it seems that he is not too far from large chunks of mainstream Christianity as far as the what goes.
To me saying "A pink elephant band is going to walk down the highstreet playing the national anthem tomorrow." is not significantly more nuts than saying "A pink elephant band is going to walk down the highstreet playing the national anthem one day."
To be fair the general tenets of Odinism are actually a reasonable way to live your life but there is some stigma attached to the religion.
No, I haven't had the pleasure of meeting Jesus, when I was doing my own personal soul searching many moons ago I either missed the signs or he had already given up on me.
Ragnarok is quite a cool "End Times" myth. Everyone gets to fight the forst giants, almost everyone dies (Gods and Mortals alike) but the good guys win out and a new starting couple are saved to begin the world again. Frost giants, giant serpents, giant wolves, blood, death mutilation, the works. What's not to love?
But that putting the date there has nothing whatsoever to do with the religion. I can see why it pleases those who are non religious, it gives them another excuse to have a pop at religion in general when his predicted end of the world date comes and goes, yet in all honesty, what he is doing has nothing whatsoever to do with his religion. As already shown, he is going against what the Bible says in clear cut black and white. So instead of even bringing religion into this argument, it should just be about a guy who thinks the world will end on a certain date, who just so happens to have been wrong a few times before.
Thanks. RDM knows where I stand on the issue. I do share the belief with others who may ascribe to one of the abrahamic faiths, that we do live in the 'last age' in human history and that certain events are imminent.
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Bit late to the party, ohhhhhhhhh.
Why do you think it is the "Last Age". Most see Judgement as ultimately bringing the last, eternal age.
Well because I believe that Muhammed pbuh was the last prophet and the Quran is the last revelation that mankind will receive. Most of the 'signs of the last hour' as told by the prophet pbuh in the hadith appeared to have happened, although I am aware muslims differ in the interpretations of some of the major signs. The water in the Sea of Galilee continues to drop, and I can say without any doubt whatsoever, one day the water in the sea will completely dry up. I think it's now on the verge of hitting the 'black line' mark where the damage is irreversible.
so what makes this guy crazy and you sane is he says may 21 you say sometime in the next 70 years.
Tbh you both sound crazy you just seem less confident.