RYAN GIGGS

I think you're oversimplifying things if you don't think that at some stage an advertising exec has chosen Giggs as their man on the basis of his clean image.

And that justifies mass public interest in what happens in his bedroom errr... how exactly?

Obviously your concern towards the marketing executive is lovely, but it's his problem and not yours and doesn't justify the general publics insationable obsession with the private lives of people richer than they are.

Unless you actually think the only reason anyone is interested in this sort of stuff is because the people in question have advertising contracts?
 
[TW]Fox;19205865 said:
The thread title is 'Ryan Giggs'.


We were talking about privacy in general.

[TW]Fox;19205865 said:
You can tell this is in GD, can't you. I've made no mention of law. I'm just whinging about how pathetic I think societies unhealthy interest in the private lives of people they don't know is.

So basically you were making no comment on the current interpretation of privacy law by senior judges, rather you were lamenting people being interested in celeb gossip? Well I think we can all agree on that. But you did state that it was acceptable for someone to make money by lying or being hypocritical to the public.

[TW]Fox;19205865 said:
You are grossly oversimplyfying things anyway. Last time I checked Giggs didn't run an advertising campaign for a company using the tag 'Buy this product - because I don't cheat on my wife' therefore he hasn't got rich by lying to the public at all.

Here, you are oversimplifying things. Brands are effective because they can encompass a wide range of feelings and beliefs - all of which can subtly effect people's affection for the brand and therefore that brand's selling power. You do not need a direct relationship between the good sold and sales campaign and the misdemeanour involved for it to have an effect on the buyer's intentions. And what if giggs turned around tomorrow and fronted an ad by pretending to be a family man? Would we then be entitled to go through his (previously and previous) private life?
 
Trading on an image does not equate to an obligation to lead the perfect life.

No it doesn't, you're right but if you're going to be purveying a falsehood i.e. committed family man or say a road safety activist then respectively being caught cheating on your wife or driving dangerously are things that can/would/should affect that image.
 
It's funny how the papers are trying to come off as some holy warriors for freedom of speech when they are really fighting for it to sell more similar stories.
 
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We were talking about privacy in general.

You might be. I'm talking about a) The Giggs case and b) Societies obsession with peoples private lives and more specifically how a) would be a non-issue if it were not for b).


So basically you were making no comment on the current interpretation of privacy law by senior judges, rather you were lamenting people being interested in celeb gossip? Well I think we can all agree on that.

Correct.

But you did state that it was acceptable for someone to make money by lying or being hypocritical to the public.

No, I said it doesn't justify intense public interest in that persons private life. I don't think it's acceptable, but I don't think it means we have a 'right' to know either. I don't particularly think there is that much hypocrisy in the Giggs case anyway.

I bet numerous people in this thread have done the same thing. I wonder how they'd like having the details in a newspaper?


And what if giggs turned around tomorrow and fronted an ad by pretending to be a family man? Would we then be entitled to go through his (previously and previous) private life?

No, we should never be entitled to do that. Any issues regarding his behaviour, should they come to light, are an issue that is between him and whoever he has signed a contract with, not the rest of the country, unless he has broken the law.
 
[TW]Fox;19205520 said:
It is a pathetic and damning indictment on society that enough people give a stuff what somebody they have never met does that this has become an issue as big as it is.

Without the nosey, ridiculous gossip obsessed people that fuel the newspapers burning desire for this sort of trash news, nobody would have needed a super injunction in the first place.

What business of us is it who he sleeps with anyway? Why do we even care?

What business is it for a Judge to effectively say to a young woman "You can not tell anyone who you have had sex with"

She was thrown to the lions, all to save him.
 
The worst thing about all this is the gutter press talking about freedom of the press, and the public good.

Its insulting to those in places where they don't have freedom to print what they want on much more important stuff than who is shagging who.
 
Funny how her old fella was quoted as saying his daughter isnt a "slapper" (or words to that effect) Heads up son, she is. :D


....but a good one ;).




Good luck with trying to censor every football fan from revealing it next season :D
 
She was thrown to the lions, all to save him.

Forgive me if I don't cry her a river. I won't comment on her motives on the forum because this all seems a bit dodgy, but I think it's far from how you've just portrayed it.

After all, in the beginning, only two people knew what had happened..
 
[TW]Fox;19205968 said:
No, we should never be entitled to do that. Any issues regarding his behaviour, should they come to light, are an issue that is between him and whoever he has signed a contract with, not the rest of the country, unless he has broken the law.

So you think that if some celeb was say, selling a book on how to have successful marriage, it would be acceptable for the legal system to allow them them to prevent the papers (or anyone) mentioning an affair they'd just had? You don't seem to believe that some things can be in the public interest with regard to private life. Crazy!
 
[TW]Fox;19205996 said:
Forgive me if I don't cry her a river. I won't comment on her motives on the forum because this all seems a bit dodgy, but I think it's far from how you've just portrayed it.

After all, in the beginning, only two people knew what had happened..

You do realise that she didn't go to the press don't you?
 
If he had a super injunction, no one would know he had one. He just had a plain old injunction, so everyone could keep guessing who it was !
 
There must be a joke in this somewhere containing the words Giggs and tearing apart. :D

In all seriousness though, as long as it's not effecting his perfomances for United then I don't care.
 
So you think that if some celeb was say, selling a book on how to have successful marriage, it would be acceptable for them to prevent the papers (or anyone) mentioning an affair they'd just had? You don't seem to believe that some things can be in the public interest with regard to private life. Crazy!

Whats crazy is how you seem unable to comprehend what it is I'm saying. I'll split it down into bitesize chunks to help you.

a) I think the publics interest in other peoples private lives is pathetic and ridiculous
b) I think somebodies private life is just that - private unless they wish otherwise
c) I think that none of this would have been a problem in the first place, and neither would anyone need an injunction, had a) not applied.

I have actually *not* said that I feel it's acceptable for people to take out injunctions. All I've said about the injunction is how it would never have been needed in the first place were it not for the gutter press and the people who lap up the dross they print.

If it makes you feel better, I think the whole injunction thing is ridiculous and counterproductive. But it's a symptom of a greater problem.

It is quite obvious that the public are, sadly, interested in the private lives of celebrities. This is not the same thing as these private lives being IN the public interest.
 
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