% of non-disabled people who park in Disabled spots!!...

fornowagain said:
You have zero knowledge of Autistic compulsions and obsessions. He has no inhibitions, awareness of danger or reaction to pain. He is abnormally strong, he cannot walk past shop windows without entering the shop. And has to be dragged away in full mental breakdown. He can't pass cars without touching them and likes to collect car badges. Strange areas or sites, sounds over stimulate him. A trip to the shop involves a half hour conversation on what he HAS to do in there and a shopping list he must follow. Actually I'm so angry at your response, I'm going to stop there. You're clueless and patronising.
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I have a good friend that is Autistic actually, my mum was also a child minder for years when I was growing up. She looked after an autistic child and one kid that had severe ADHD behavioural problems. They were all treated the same and she walked us everywhere. To and from School and large supermarkets for shopping. Disipline and structure was kept, despite the sometimes very embarrasing way the kid with ADHD would act, if he wanted something or just didn't feel like going to the shops. Screaming/kicking/punching and running around the store like a maniac. All were handled very well with big improvements over time.

Parking 10 metres closer to the store entrance doesn't solve any of the issues your son has, end of.
 
I don't think autism is universally the same across the people it affects.

The case you mentioned may be manageable but in fornowagain's it may not, whatever approach is taken.
 
ColdAsIce said:
I have a good friend that is Autistic actually, my mum was also a child minder for years when I was growing up. She looked after an autistic child and one kid that had severe ADHD behavioural problems. They were all treated the same and she walked us everywhere. To and from School and large supermarkets for shopping. Disipline and structure was kept, despite the sometimes very embarrasing way the kid with ADHD would act, if he wanted something or just didn't feel like going to the shops. Screaming/kicking/punching and running around the store like a maniac. All were handled very well with big improvements over time.

Parking 10 metres closer to the store entrance doesn't solve any of the issues your son has, end of.
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Lol, you're so sure of yourself, I just wish I could put you with him for 5 mins. I'm not debating years of CAMHS therapy with you. Not all children are the same, they don't all respond the same and you have no idea what you're talking about end of. Do you think give out higher rate mobility and blue badges on a whim?. You have to fight for every inch. My child has spent years undergoing behavioural training with child psychologists. He's statemented and needs one to one care to avoid self harm under constant supervision. But nah, they do that for the fun of it. Seriously you have no idea, one of our biggest problems is moving him in public I only wish it was as simplistic as you make out. Put it this way, just being able to go in the specific shop and leave directly HAS taken years of big improvements. For him that's a massive accomplishment.
 
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fornowagain said:
Lol, you're so sure of yourself, I just wish I could put you with him for 5 mins. I'm not debating years of CAMHS therapy with you. Not all children are the same, they don't all respond the same and you have no idea what you're talking about end of. Do you think give out higher rate mobility and blue badges on a whim?. You have to fight for every inch. My child has spent years undergoing behavioural training with child psychologists. He's statemented and needs one to one care to avoid self harm under constant supervision. But nah, they do that for the fun of it. Seriously you have no idea, one of our biggest problems is moving him in public I only wish it was as simplistic as you make out. Put it this way, just being able to go in the specific shop and leave directly HAS taken years of big improvements. For him that's a massive accomplishment.
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I am not doubting for one second that your son has very serious issues and it must be a drain having to cope with this everyday.

My only argument is do I honestly believe you wouldn't be able to go shopping without access to a disabled parking space right next to the door of the shops? No, I don't.

I cannot see how your son is manageable inside busy shops with lots of things to grab his attention but walking an extra few feet in a car park is a strict no go. Doesn't make any sense.

I also wonder just how safe it is driving on busy roads if your son is so unpredictable?

Anyway, wasn't my intention to make things so personal and I do wish you and your family all the best.
 
My mum's in a wheelchair so I'm quite used to checking if cars parked in disabled bays have a blue badge in or not. Generally I'd say about 1/15 cars don't have a blue badge visible, which isn't to say that they haven't just forgot to display it or it isn't somewhere obvious.

I'd encourage everyone who doesn't get in a huff about these sort of things to do a quick check if they walk past the disabled bays and just tell the help desk in the supermarket so they can check it and issue a fine if necessary.

My mum's also been known to do a bit of on the spot vandalism if she's in a bad mood. So beware! disobey the laws of disabled parking in the Newcastle area and you might find youself having to spend an afternoon cleaning obscenities written in lip stick off your nice car windows :D.
 
Steveh_monkey said:
My mum's also been known to do a bit of on the spot vandalism if she's in a bad mood. So beware! disobey the laws of disabled parking in the Newcastle area and you might find youself having to spend an afternoon cleaning obscenities written in lip stick off your nice car windows :D.
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How is that ever a valid punishment?
In a wheel chair but can write enough over a windscreen...
 
ColdAsIce said:
My only argument is do I honestly believe you wouldn't be able to go shopping without access to a disabled parking space right next to the door of the shops? No, I don't.

I cannot see how your son is manageable inside busy shops with lots of things to grab his attention but walking an extra few feet in a car park is a strict no go. Doesn't make any sense.
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That's because you don't see the world as he does. The main problem IS the walk in the carpark. He has a photographic visual memory, he develops an encyclopaedic knowledge of a particular shop. Over a period of weeks he can trained be to pretty much walk without too much restraint inside the shop and pick items for a list. It's taken years to adjust his behaviour to allow that much, but only for a specific shop. It's his shop. The build up to the visit is days beforehand when he starts his obsession with the list, plans his route. You hope they haven't changed too much in the shop.

The car park is a different issue, there is so many sights and sounds that are unpredictable anything new overwhelms him. A car is a car to you and me, not to him. That makes it incredibly dangerous, he will instantly 'bolt' to maybe touch a new car, even if its moving. He is unnaturally strong and can't be stopped without hurting him and he will escape, he waits till you're not looking. He must enter a new shop and catalogue its contents, stop him and he goes into what is termed as a meltdown, it's not just about a stroppy kid. It's a very upsetting experience.

I could go on and on, but the short of is I will often wait for a space next to the door. I won't attempt to walk him across a carpark without another adult or restrain him in a special wheelchair. And god I hate doing that. If there's two of us and no spaces we will pull up outside his shop and let his mother park and fetch the car.
On my own without a disabled bay, I just don't take him, that's the reality. I want him to get out and be as normal as he can. So yeah I'm very grateful for the bays and wish people wouldn't abuse them when it's busy.
 
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Gayjin said:
I don't have kids but I guarantee when I do that I won't want any special treatment for my family planning choices. If you want extra room, then park further away.
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Just wait till the day comes when you're returning back to your car to see a car has parked next to you leaving just inches between themselves and your car, which clearly has a baby on board sticker and a baby seat in the back! It does happen, and it's a royal pain in the arse when it does.

As i said, i park anywhere but P+C when i have no kids, but they are a godsend when i have the kids with me, like i said, i wouldn't care if they were further away, it's the space that's valuable for manouevring the baby seats in and out.

Why should i be punished because i'm keeping evolution going?
 
Reemul said:
Too many people are quick to judge just by what they can see and without knowing the full story.
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Some people are quick to judge those who look healthy because they know people who abuse the system, or in my case know someone who has a blue badge who is throroughly undeserving of it.

Moley said:
You can really tell from this threads posts just who does and who doesn't have kids....
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And....?

Was that the usual condescending attitude of someone who does have kids? Some people choose not to have kids. Some people choose to live thier life before having kids. Some people choose to wait until they can afford their own kids rather than sponging off everyone else for their offspring.

A lot of people who have kids think they are above others because they have reproduced. I don't subscribe to the idea.

And yes, you're right, I don't have kids. I don't even know if I want kids.
 
Dabbles said:
And....?

People who have kids think they are above others because they have reproduced. I don't subscribe to the idea.

And yes, you're right, I don't have kids. I don't even know if I want kids.
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lol what? above others because they have had kids?

No. Its about actually experiencing something many times over versus never having done it.
 
Morba said:
lol what? above others because they have had kids?

No. Its about actually experiencing something many times over versus never having done it.
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There's always an undertone of 'what would you know, you haven't even managed to procreate....' in these people.
 
Dabbles said:
There's always an undertone of 'what would you know, you haven't even managed to procreate....' in these people.
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No there isn't, stop being paranoid.

This whole thread is just about giving people who need it a little extra help, whether they be someone struggling with keeping their children safe, or people struggling with their limbs I don't see the problem. If people need a bit of extra space to make their lives slightly easier then it's hardly the end of the world for those who don't. Big fuss over nothing! :rolleyes:
 
Steveh_monkey said:
My mum's in a wheelchair so I'm quite used to checking if cars parked in disabled bays have a blue badge in or not. Generally I'd say about 1/15 cars don't have a blue badge visible, which isn't to say that they haven't just forgot to display it or it isn't somewhere obvious.

My mum's also been known to do a bit of on the spot vandalism if she's in a bad mood. So beware! disobey the laws of disabled parking in the Newcastle area and you might find youself having to spend an afternoon cleaning obscenities written in lip stick off your nice car windows :D.
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You do know that disabled bays don't require the disabled driver to show or even have a blue badge unless the sign-age states so yeah? many supermarkets don't require a badge to use the disabled bays.
 
Forde said:
No there isn't, stop being paranoid.
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Yes there is, I have seen it loads of times. Sometimes thinly veiled, others said explictly.
Forde said:
This whole thread is just about giving people who need it a little extra help, whether they be someone struggling with keeping their children safe, or people struggling with their limbs I don't see the problem. If people need a bit of extra space to make their lives slightly easier then it's hardly the end of the world for those who don't. Big fuss over nothing! :rolleyes:
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No, it's not. It's specifically about non-disabled people parking in disabled bays.

Besides, why do the parent and child spaces need to be near the door? Is it purely a marketing thing as families will likely spend more?

Oh, and have your rolleyes back :rolleyes:. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong.
 
In this case dabbles, you are wrong.

There is no undertones, thinly veiled or otherwise, about being better than others.
 
Dabbles said:
Yes there is, I have seen it loads of times. Sometimes thinly veiled, others said explictly.

No, it's not. It's specifically about non-disabled people parking in disabled bays.

Besides, why do the parent and child spaces need to be near the door? Is it purely a marketing thing as families will likely spend more?

Oh, and have your rolleyes back :rolleyes:. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are wrong.
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The rolleyes weren't aimed at you... kinda proving my point about you being paranoid.
 
The requirements for a blue badge is just so random.

Sometimes I wonder if they just flip a coin to decide if someone is viable. Known people get it for stuff that had nothing to do with their mobility, shoulder / elbow problems for example.

On the other hand some people who has had joint replacements and who are suffering from a disease such as Rheumatoid arthritis who has troubles all the time doing the most simple things, such as being able to get in and out of their car, let alone walking any distance gets rejected. It makes no sense, at all.
 
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