Tax dodgers - rant and questions

Rroff · 9 Jun 2011 at 19:55

Inheritance tax is evil - suprised it still exists in its current form - one of the few taxes that I have no problem with people finding ways around.

Raymond Lin · 9 Jun 2011 at 19:55

DM said:
i think basically we are in agreement here

I known hence it's so frustrating posting in here sometimes when people don't read everything I wrote, only things that they want to see!

crinkleshoes · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:25

Raymond Lin said:
It won't. If you pass it early enough.

I find it funny that people pick on the facts and argue with me rather than my actual opinion on the matter.

When I said "I rather the tax don't exist"

All you are ranting about is your opinion, sorry, but you are wrong. At least legally speaking. The law says you have to pay. You can moan, doesn't change a thing.

And DM, I didn't miss the point, like I said, I rather it doesn't exist. But the point is that someone else paid for it, you didn't. Family member is irrelevant. The will could leave everything to a stranger, should the tax apply to a stranger and not a relative? And how close a relative? Should it be free for sons and daughters, 10% on grandchildren, 20% on cousins?

Also, if people feel strongly about it, do something about it. Plan ahead, trusts, PET, taper relief etc.

If they feel REALLY strongly about it, change the law. The law is made and pass by the house of commons, people like us. We put those politician there to make laws, we agree with their views to put them there. Pick someone who has the same view on this and out him as your MP? Or hell, run yourself!

I bet people wont differentiate my actual views to the law.

So it's better to tax the people who are thrown a curveball by an untimely death... than the ones who specifically make a plan to avoid it and are given that opportunity?

For example... say someone's parent were to be expected to live til they were 90 years old to the day, had planned to hand over possession to their kid just before they turned 83... but died when they were 82... why should this mean the kid should then be taxed at a ridiculous rate?

The fact is, the house has already had all relevant taxes paid on it... why should more taxes suddenly appear out of no-where... especially when they're avoidable if you have the time to plan for it?

It's ridiculous and exploitative!

DM · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:26

crinkleshoes said:
So it's better to tax the people who are thrown a curveball by an untimely death... than the ones who specifically make a plan to avoid it and are given that opportunity?

For example... say someone's parent were to be expected to live til they were 90 years old to the day, had planned to hand over possession to their kid when they turned 89... but died when they were 88... why should this mean the kid should then be taxed at a ridiculous rate?

The fact is, the house has already had all relevant taxes paid on it... why should more taxes suddenly appear out of no-where... especially when they're avoidable if you have the time to plan for it?

It's ridiculous and exploitative!

iv just realised hes agreeing with us, hes just saying the law is the law ****ed up as it may be

crinkleshoes · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:28

Bah... too slow in posting my reply...

Skilid · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:28

markweatherill said:
How do you know without any doubt that the car isn't taxed? And maybe he derives perverse pleasure from not displaying the tax disc just to get on people's nerves!

It's a criminal offence not to show an up to date tax disc in the window.

Will Gill said:
if I ever got my hands on a proper tax evader, I'd probably drive my car into the side of them loads of times, ggrrrr

Lol. Fail.

Personally, it grinds my gears knowing that I am perfectly legal and other people are not. If I see someone that isn't I shall report them.

Raymond Lin · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:30

Sigh! See what I mean! Even with the small prints in place! Lol

mattyfez · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:36

I was under the impression that you get fined automatically if you car is not taxed or sorn for any length of time?

Raymond Lin · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:38

mattyfez said:
I was under the impression that you get fined automatically if you car is not taxed or sorn for any length of time?

I thought so too, the computer just sends out the fine if its not SORN?

crinkleshoes · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:39

DM said:
iv just realised hes agreeing with us, hes just saying the law is the law ****ed up as it may be

I'm just being slow tonight... hehe

One question about something you said earlier though (and it's a question, not meant to be inflamatory or anything of the sort)... plus I don't know enough about your history, so please don't think I'm making any silly assumptions.

Anyhoo...

Ignore me i was taking the ****, just dont worry about it mate, seriously its trivial just let the idiots get on with it.

You must be doing rather well for yourself with the cars & the house...

I imagine £200-500/year is un-noticeable to you.

That's not un-noticeable to everyone. And it wasn't to me back when I was 18...

Minimum wage is something like £6/hour... 40hr week * 50 = £12,000/year... minus 20% tax... leaves you with £9600/year or £800/month

Rough figures, there are probably a few tax credits etc I have no idea about...

How would you like to spend ~1/19th of your yearly income on a silly circular tax thingy and then have the person next door to you not AND get away with it?

Granted the above begs the question how could that person possibly afford to run the car in the first place... but still...

baldzone · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:43

Just checked, it's not insured either. I've got a bit of a rage brewing!

DM · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:48

crinkleshoes said:
I'm just being slow tonight... hehe

One question about something you said earlier though (and it's a question, not meant to be inflamatory or anything of the sort)... plus I don't know enough about your history, so please don't think I'm making any silly assumptions.

Anyhoo...
You must be doing rather well for yourself with the cars & the house...

I imagine £200-500/year is un-noticeable to you.

That's not un-noticeable to everyone. And it wasn't to me back when I was 18...

Minimum wage is something like £6/hour... 40hr week * 50 = £12,000/year... minus 20% tax... leaves you with £9600/year or £800/month

Rough figures, there are probably a few tax credits etc I have no idea about...

How would you like to spend ~1/19th of your yearly income on a silly circular tax thingy and then have the person next door to you not AND get away with it?

Granted the above begs the question how could that person possibly afford to run the car in the first place... but still...

When i was young i was angry about everything, now less so.

Yea its a pest when next door dont pay their tax, but still sod it, your a better person sod em, let them get on with it.

When you catch them mugging someone, nicking someones car, being a burglar then good, give them a dig, grass them whatever, but no tax on a car/ whats that about, ignore it.

crinkleshoes · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:48

baldzone said:
Just checked, it's not insured either. I've got a bit of a rage brewing!

Call the police with that one.

Don't say you used askmid just in case... say they indicated it to you

DM · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:48

baldzone said:
Just checked, it's not insured either. I've got a bit of a rage brewing!

thats different, go and tell them or just tell plod whatever you thinks for the best.

baldzone · 9 Jun 2011 at 20:53

The missus is on more of a rant than me. On the phone to the old bill as we speak....

Watch this space.

crinkleshoes · 9 Jun 2011 at 21:01

DM said:
When i was young i was angry about everything, now less so.

Yea its a pest when next door dont pay their tax, but still sod it, your a better person sod em, let them get on with it.

When you catch them mugging someone, nicking someones car, being a burglar then good, give them a dig, grass them whatever, but no tax on a car/ whats that about, ignore it.

Fair and I'm of similar persuation... it's not worth getting irate about.

Part of me would like to believe if everyone paid what they were supposed to, the chasing bodies could be reduced and the amount we actually pay could be reduced as the bell-curve of payments would even out and rise a bit... but in reality, the goverment would just make more money...

I'm pro-tax-dodging as much as I can be, at least until they utilise the money properly! However, too much of a chicken to risk doing anything myself... lately it seems you're more likely to end up in prison over dodging taxes than you are by assaulting someone :eek:

To the op... pick your battles... if you really feel that strongly about it, there are enough suggestions in here that it shouldn't stay too long.

However, if it doesn't work, don't rip your hair out... it's not a battle worth fighting...

But that doesn't mean you can't use it as an excuse to have some fun

so you could just go the other extreme and just generally **** with them, that can be rather enjoyable... but it depends on them and you

Malk101 · 9 Jun 2011 at 21:03

So he is uninsured and has no tax, does this ***** even have a license?

He should not be on the road, end of.

If he does not bother with tax or insurance, i expect he has no MOT, probably driving a death trap, anything fails on the car could result in a innocent person getting injured or worse from his neglect.

I don't like paying tax or insurance anymore than the next bloke (or woman

) but its there for a reason.

I suggest you keep on at the police and dvla, or as others have suggested a good fire to keep you warm

baldzone · 9 Jun 2011 at 21:09

Apparently, the council has issued a notice of intent or some such legal document to the owner (I doubt it is registered to them though) last week to warn them if it's not taxed within 7 days it will be towed away.

I'll believe it when I see it!

As Malk101 said, it's a potential death trap. Highly unlikely to have an MOT, and it doesn't look or sound too healthy either.

The sooner it's crushed, the better!

DM · 9 Jun 2011 at 21:13

crinkleshoes said:
Fair and I'm of similar persuation... it's not worth getting irate about.

Part of me would like to believe if everyone paid what they were supposed to, the chasing bodies could be reduced and the amount we actually pay could be reduced as the bell-curve of payments would even out and rise a bit... but in reality, the goverment would just make more money...

I'm pro-tax-dodging as much as I can be, at least until they utilise the money properly! However, too much of a chicken to risk doing anything myself... lately it seems you're more likely to end up in prison over dodging taxes than you are by assaulting someone

To the op... pick your battles... if you really feel that strongly about it, there are enough suggestions in here that it shouldn't stay too long.

However, if it doesn't work, don't rip your hair out... it's not a battle worth fighting...

But that doesn't mean you can't use it as an excuse to have some fun so you could just go the other extreme and just generally **** with them, that can be rather enjoyable... but it depends on them and you

thats what im talking about.

iv lost all faith in the whole "if everyone paid their way things would be cheaper" way of thinking, now im just in it for me.

if your non tax paying ass dont burst my bubble i just dont give a monkeys anymore, i got a wife and 2 mental kids to take up all the high blood pressure iv got to give, sod cars with no tax for bad job.

mattyfez · 9 Jun 2011 at 21:16

DM said:
When you catch them mugging someone, nicking someones car, being a burglar then good, give them a dig, grass them whatever, but no tax on a car/ whats that about, ignore it.

No tax means invalid insurance, so if your taxless neighbour were to reverse into you when parking, presenting you with a £500+ repair bill, you would have to pay to have your car fixed out of your own pocket, and then go through the hassle of small claims court for the damage, and if they are a bunch of ****** they wont have any money, which means you wont get your money back.

Have a word with yourself.