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my car can do 150 init yo
Meh... Vauxhalls
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my car can do 150 init yo
I don't know where to start with this one to be honest, apart from asking, "what's torque?"
I agree a 1.8 civic isn't "fast" but it's near top of its class for similar engine size in its time. Remember the car's are 12-13 years old, a lot has changed since then, most good diesels would be faster now.
Want to know where my sense of seniority comes from? well here it is.
After 12 years (5.5 of them with me) my car only uses about 200ml of oil to do 6k miles (my service interval), where as no vauxhall I know of would have stood up to the way my civic's been treated on occasion over the years. It never costs any money to keep on the road, just wear and tear stuff like brakes. Still zero body rust, and not a lot of 12 year old cars can say that in this area, most bmw/audi/vw's have all shown signs of bodywork going on the arches etc by 8-10 years let alone 12. Is it the best car in the world? absolutely not, is it in overall better nick than the majority of vauxhalls out there of similar age and performance, i'd be willing to bet it is.
In a straight off head to head mine's just a little bit quicker 0-100mph than a 182 clio but we're talking 1-2 car lengths max, ok it doesn't go round corners as well, but it still puts a smile on my face every time I take it on a quiet back road and get the vtec singing. I've never sat in any vauxhall and felt that way.
I did buy a vectra once, but only had it for 24 hours and took it back as it took that long for 2 things to go wrong with it *thermostat then coil* (2002 Vectra 2.2 SRi with 66k) That's the longest I ever have, and longest I ever will own a vauxhall.
My only regret with the civic is that I never put an S80 DC2 gearbox in it.
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Well, an example could be the 23 year old Astra GTE 16v which had one of the best 2 litre engines for over a decade. Used in touring cars throughout the 80/90's. Still commonly used for conversions today.
My XR2 I owned for 11 years used less oil than that (true story lol) and again the 20XE can easily take as much punishment as your Civics motor. It's why the engine is commonly converted to a 9K revving Throttle bodied unit seeing over 200BHP. Did I mention this is a 23+ year old design.
Want to see a picture of my 21 year old Mk2 Astra which I guaranty is in better condition than your civic. Past every MOT without one advisory and the only parts changed since new (beside tyres and the odd hose) is the alternator and water pump. Both changed in 1999.
Sure most Vauxhalls are bland and don't excel at anything. Must be great knowing you epic Civic isn't a patch on these lesser/older bland-mobiles
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Congrats. You bought a typical enthusiasts choice of car and wonder why its well kept.
If you can find any rust on my 10 year old astra coupe then ill let you keep your ego
The reason the typical vauxhall is in poor (lol) condition is because of the typical owners.
Vauxhalls are cheap, thats their fundamental merit. People who typically buy cheap cars are those who cant afford better (At the time myself) or those who seriously just dont care.
Suffice to say people who dont care or who bought a car on the cheap wont put money into keeping it regularly serviced or cared for.
Not to be nasty to the owner of the silver astra but he is a perfect example. The car is cheap and not worth being fixed in his eyes.
Your civic is probably worth scrap all (not being nasty) in resale value but im sure that doesnt stop you caring for it and looking after it - non?
Im sure youd be surprised at the state of a lot of cared for vaux's - Just because you're more likely to see the battered up version due to the fact theres millions around the UK..
Realscot - Sorry for my ignorance but is your civic a special model? If you look at the special Models of Vauxhalls as mentioned above they are great, well cared for and a lot rust free.
There is a very old Cav GSI that kicks around down the road. Zero rust on it anywhere, the paintwork is very shiney, it sounds awesome and still will embarrass a lot of modern cars. But all Vauxhalls are crap lol!!!1111
There is a very old Cav GSI that kicks around down the road. Zero rust on it anywhere, the paintwork is very shiney, it sounds awesome and still will embarrass a lot of modern cars. But all Vauxhalls are crap lol!!!1111
Years ago my mum had a purple astra GTE (one with the LED dials) and it was always in the garage getting something done to it, her 16v cav sri after that was exactly the same, so you'll forgive me for not thinking too highly of your special vauxhalls.
Bottom line, I'm a mechanic/mot tester, I see different cars every day and the ones with the most problems are always vauxhalls, closely followed by the french trio. Honda's probably need the least work, now that's daily drivers and mostly for people who know sod all about cars, so it's not how they are treated, they are just fundimentally better cars. But hey that's just my opinion based on what I see.
I don't know if you know that mechanics cars are notoriously badly maintained usually since we can't be bothered after spending all day fixing everyone elses cars, well mine's kinda getting that way too. In the last 12 months the civic was on the ramp twice, once for a small service, and once for an MOT, and I think it got washed and polished twice in that 12 months, so I don't really look after it.
Yes there are some good old vauxhalls, but even then they would have to have been well looked after to stand the test of time.
I shouldn't really talk people out of buying vauxhalls since it keeps our garage busy and keeps me in a job. I'll go now and take my honda fanboyism with me, enjoy your car whatever it is, each to their own.
Bottom line, I'm a mechanic/mot tester, I see different cars every day and the ones with the most problems are always vauxhalls, closely followed by the french trio. Honda's probably need the least work, now that's daily drivers and mostly for people who know sod all about cars, so it's not how they are treated, they are just fundimentally better cars. But hey that's just my opinion based on what I see.
I don't know if you know that mechanics cars are notoriously badly maintained usually since we can't be bothered after spending all day fixing everyone elses cars, well mine's kinda getting that way too. In the last 12 months the civic was on the ramp twice, once for a small service, and once for an MOT, and I think it got washed and polished twice in that 12 months, so I don't really look after it.
Yes there are some good old vauxhalls, but even then they would have to have been well looked after to stand the test of time.
I shouldn't really talk people out of buying vauxhalls since it keeps our garage busy and keeps me in a job. I'll go now and take my honda fanboyism with me, enjoy your car whatever it is, each to their own.
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21 year old clutch and breaks eh?
My father had a white GTE that did 220k miles. the body rusted away before the engine showed any signs of giving up lol
Original suspension bushes as well...
He's either wrong, or it drives like a sack of spuds. Not sure either is desireable
It's an Auto with 25K Miles so yeah that part is original
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He's either wrong, or it drives like a sack of spuds. Not sure either is desireable
When I said tyres and hoses I was referring to serviceable items but as usual if you don't specify everything someone picks fault
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i had one that could crack 140mph, although that did have the benefit of a S2 RS turbo lump being retrofitted to it still miss my c20xe'd nova on carbs, my undercrackers gave up before that thing stopped pulling but as above a stock XR2 is good for at most 115mph
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Are you seriously drawing comparisons to the 22 year old Honda B series which is the definition of the era of 100bhp/litr NA engines? Its factory peak tune was 197bhp revving to 8600 but will do 150k no issues.
Yes I am, seriously. Sure the 20XE didn't have as much punch out of the box but I've clearly stated why it's a great engine.
Not sure why you see that it's a problem.
The 20XE is bomb proof. My comment was referring to the post realscot made about "Want to know where my sense of seniority comes from? well here it is.After 12 years (5.5 of them with me) my car only uses about 200ml of oil to do 6k miles (my service interval), where as no vauxhall I know of would have stood up to the way my civic's been treated on occasion over the years."
My old Astra GTE's engine which had done 175K went to to be used in a Super 7 on Throttle Bodies with an increased BHP of just over 200 and 180lb.ft torque. It's still on the same internals as I had 7 years ago and is used exclusively on track days having the crap thrashed out of it!
Sure the B series is a cracking engine and the engineering is mindblowing for the time but the 20XE was one of the best 2 litres ever made. Two decades of tourning cars kind of proves my point.
Have a read of this.
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What I don't understand is why anyone who buys a car simply as a mode of transport is even posting on a car enthusiasts forum?
Obviously a Vauxhall can provide reliable transport for you and your family, but with a very few notable exceptions they are unexciting, dynamically poor and have mediocre build quality. They simply don't posses the ingredients that most genuine car enthusiasts look for.
Hardly representative of that particular model; most of them rotted. How many of them do you see on the roads these days?
The old Cavalier was a pretty good car however, it all went pair shaped when they replaced it with the Vectra.
This is a car enthusiasts forum? I thought it it was a computer based forum that had a Motors forum for like minded discussion so that it didn't clutter GD. However, a lot of car enthusiasts post in this forum.
No wonder many non Motors posters dont like posting in here lol
Also, if we shouldn't be posting on a forum if we aren't enthusiasts, should I not be postin on OcUK given I have no interest in modifying / overclocking / building computers?
What car enthusiasts forum are you talking about?
This is a general motoring sub-forum. The vast majority of discussion is about peoples Yarises or base model BMWs, spec me a family car, spec me a commuting car, general maintenance issues, insurance, finance, etc etc. It's entirely relevant to talk about Vauxhalls or any other manufacturer of everyday cars and, imho, entirely disproportionate the hate Vauxhall gets compared to other such manufacturers. It's just a bandwagon people love to jump on.
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I'm not on any bandwagon, I well and truly loath them and have plenty of reasons to do so.