Where's the fun in raping someone you're not attracted to?
Where's the fun in raping someone you're not attracted to?
Show me where I said no one, woman or male, is not responsible for their own safety.
My girl dresses smart for example, and to some people that is sexy especially depending on the physique. As far as I am concerned as long as it's not hanging out and she is dressed appropriately for time/weather she is entitled to go about her daily business without fear of attack reprisal or comment. That has nothing at all with trying to admonish personal responsibility for your own saftey. She's not stupid, she doesn't walk down dark alleys or provocatively gyrate on bus stops with at 3am screaming give me some.
When Mr Freeman wants to generalise like such, I would like to know how that fits in with the average 'cosmopolitan' girl in a modern society.
Or should it be orange overalls for all?
The problem is the argument is being far too centered on clothes, when in reality, clothes are not the issue, but they are a good proxy for engaging in other risk increasing behaviour such as excessive drinking...
The motivation is vulnerability not attractiveness though....
Exactly, clothing is indeed not the issue.
Disagree
Right, classic scene... girl handing out by the side of the road looking to hitch-hike.
She looks like this:
I would drive right past.
Do you have any evidence for that? I would certainly agree that vulnerability is a factor but not the catalyst.
LMAO steve-h.
Clothes. That is what in large the discussion at the time before that brain fart, it was the contention for the **** walks and it was what spurred on Mr Freeman's comments. Yes, you have of course a valid point about excessive alcohol and subsequent abuse but that was largely orientated around attire topically.
What would you do anyway, if I nibble this slight of hand? Do you support minimum pricing? If not, how would you propose to tackle the issue.
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Find it hard to believe some of the replies in the first part of this thread tbh. nearly everyone has a female member of thier family. Imagine if she was raped and you had to comfort her. I bet you'd be in the front line of that march... 
As for rape and rapists --
I think some of it's got to be about Dominance maybe even more so than attraction.
As for the wearing of provocative clothing, It shouldn't mean anything but potentialy to a Rapist he'd maybe see that as justification of his actions on that particular victim ? as in "you dress like a whore i'm entitled to and will treat you like one with no remorse ?
I'm no Dr of criminal physcology and rapes occur for different reason by differen people in different situation.. but at the end of the day like the message the people taking part in the "**** walks" are saying "NO means NO" end of as far as i'm concerned.
Like as already been mentioned in this thread if you get caught raping anyone then you should be punished severly Lose a bollock at least ...
Usual problem with that kind of thinking is of course that some women have been found guilty of accusing a man of rape and he actualy has been found not to have done it because she was lieing
As for rape and rapists --
I think some of it's got to be about Dominance maybe even more so than attraction.
As for the wearing of provocative clothing, It shouldn't mean anything but potentialy to a Rapist he'd maybe see that as justification of his actions on that particular victim ? as in "you dress like a whore i'm entitled to and will treat you like one with no remorse ?
I'm no Dr of criminal physcology and rapes occur for different reason by differen people in different situation.. but at the end of the day like the message the people taking part in the "**** walks" are saying "NO means NO" end of as far as i'm concerned.
Like as already been mentioned in this thread if you get caught raping anyone then you should be punished severly Lose a bollock at least ...
Usual problem with that kind of thinking is of course that some women have been found guilty of accusing a man of rape and he actualy has been found not to have done it because she was lieing
Disagree
Right, classic scene... girl handing out by the side of the road looking to hitch-hike.
She looks like this:
I would drive right past.
You mean when you're out looking for someone to rape?
Sorry. I must be a bit dim at the moment Dolph.
Could you expand on why "clothes are not the issue, but they are a good proxy for engaging in other risk increasing behaviour such as excessive drinking"?
It's that pesky responsibility thing again, minimum pricing doesn't really help because alcohol is not strictly speaking the problem, people are the problem.
You mean when you're out looking for someone to rape?
No, the opportunity would arise. At least that's usually the scenario in films. Trucker, etc.
In which respect?
Alcohol fueled rape or just excessive alcoholism?
You didn't specify so I presumed the latter.
If people are the problem, what do you propose?
Essentially that you can group people into groups on whether they are more or less likely statistically to be a victim based on clothes, even though the clothes are not the cause of the change in status, but they provide a visual identifier for different behavioural groups.
Behavioural groups in the victim side?
Alcohol fueled rape, alcohol fueled misunderstandings that could be interpreted very differently by the two drunken individuals involved and excessive alcoholism are all fueled by the same thing.
The problem is we have a culture that sees excessive alcohol as an excuse from responsibility, rather than excessive alcohol as being irresponsible. Minimum pricing won't treat this, just as prohibition has done little to control drug use.
The lack of responsibility culture needs to be challenged right across society, the alcohol aspect is just a symptom of the failure of society to ensure people are aware of the consequences of their actions that began when we created the welfare state and became worse when we made more and more efforts at making the government, rather than people, responsible for the welfare of people.
Yes, in terms of people who are, through their behaviour, more likely to be victims (or be involved in the conflict of consent issues that have sent rape claim rates skyrocketing, usually with another drunken partner).
So these problems are because society, at large I presume, has grown to refuse personal responsibility and ultimately this was because of the welfare state?
Is that what I'd say to my Mrs in a theoretical worst nightmare? Don't worry love, it wasn't that man who jumped out the bush it was Labour and the whole of society who done this to you?
Braw. Outstanding.
