London **** WALK

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Ahleckz said:
People seem to be missing the point. Rapists don't rape because they want to have sex with hot women. Rape is all about the control and power that the rapist have over the victim. It doesn't matter if the victim is attractive or not, the only thing that matters is that the rapist is in total control and domination of the woman.
This march is all about word claiming and empowerment of women, it's not about addressing the [wrong] idea that women in provocative clothing are justifiable targets.
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http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm

"IS RAPE AN ACT OF SEX?

If women today are to protect themselves from rape, and men are to desist from it, people must be given advice that is based on knowledge. Insisting that rape is not about sex misinforms both men and women about the motivations behind rape -- a dangerous error that not only hinders prevention efforts but may actually increase the incidence of rape.

What we envision is an evolutionarily informed program for young men that teaches them to restrain their sexual behavior. Completion of such a course might be required, say, before a young man is granted a driver. s license. The program might start by inducing the young men to acknowledge the power of their sexual impulses, and then explaining why human males have evolved in that way. The young men should learn that past Darwinian selection is the reason that a man can get an erection just by looking at a photo of a naked woman, why he may be tempted to demand sex even if he knows that his date truly doesn. t want it, and why he may mistake a woman's friendly comment or tight blouse as an invitation to sex. Most of all, the program should stress that a man. s evolved sexual desires offer him no excuse whatsoever for raping a woman, and that if he understands and resists those desires, he may be able to prevent their manifestation in sexually coercive behavior. The criminal penalties for rape should also be discussed in detail.

Young women also need a new kind of education. For example, in today's rape-prevention handbooks, women are often told that sexual attractiveness does not influence rapists. That is emphatically not true. Because a woman is considered most attractive when her fertility is at its peak, from her mid-teens through her twenties, tactics that focus on protecting women in those age groups will be most effective in reducing the overall frequency of rape.

Young women should be informed that, during the evolution of human sexuality, the existence of female choice has favored men who are quickly aroused by signals of a female. s willingness to grant sexual access. Furthermore, women need to realize that, because selection favored males who had many mates, men tend to read signals of acceptance into a woman. s actions even when no such signals are intended."
 
http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm said:
In spite of protestations to the contrary, women should also be advised that the way they dress can put them at risk. In the past, most discussions of female appearance in the context of rape have, entirely unfairly, asserted that a victim's dress and behavior should affect the degree of punishment meted out to the rapist: thus if the victim was dressed provocatively, she "had it coming to her" -- and the rapist would get off lightly. But current attempts to avoid blaming the victim have led to false propaganda that dress and behavior have little or no influence on a woman's chances of being raped. As a consequence, important knowledge about how to avoid dangerous circumstances is often suppressed. Sure-ly the point that no woman's behavior gives a man the right to rape her can be made with-out encouraging women to overlook the role they themselves may be playing in compromising their safety.
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bam0 said:
You're still wrong though about dress being a factor: http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?14+Duke+J.+Gender+L.+&+Pol'y+125#B139

That link should take you to the relevant section of the document and you can look up the references if you so wish.
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In which case I take back what I said. I'm tentative to accept that as fact but (forgive me) seems legit :P

I would interpret that as meaning that the type of woman who wears provocative clothing is less likely to be raped, rather than necessarily the clothing being the trait? What I mean is, if a timid woman wore provocative clothing but still displayed clear signs of being timid (hovering in the corners of a bar, tentative in conversation etc.), then a rapist would be just as likely to choose her?

See when people back up their argument with research I can be reasonable enough :D Like I said before, I was only debating on scales of logic until evidence came out and it seems the evidence is here now :)
 
Ksanti said:
I would interpret that as meaning that the type of woman who wears provocative clothing is less likely to be raped, rather than necessarily the clothing being the trait? What I mean is, if a timid woman wore provocative clothing but still displayed clear signs of being timid (hovering in the corners of a bar, tentative in conversation etc.), then a rapist would be just as likely to choose her?
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That's basically how I read it, yeah, we're a lot more capable of picking up on these signals than we might consciously realise so a timid, submissive, vulnerable person will appear that way regardless of how they're dressed.
 
bam0 said:
That's basically how I read it, yeah, we're a lot more capable of picking up on these signals than we might consciously realise so a timid, submissive, vulnerable person will appear that way regardless of how they're dressed.
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When you said "we're a lot more capable of picking up on these signals"...

Was I the only one who got a SERIOUS rapey vibe from that? :D
 
**** walk? People need to stop thinking that the world cares about their opinion. This is so pathetic, will change nothing and means nothing. You dress to impress, never had a problem with it and anyone who complains about a girl who goes on a night out or with her bf dressed to impress is probably just ugly.

Furthermore, the moronic concept of a "****" is fed to girls at a young age where they all call each other ***** for the most minor things. Having sex doesn't make her a ****. Having sex with lots of guys at once does. I hope they get rid of this mentality so that some girls stop being so frigid. I know a girl who drove for miles to a guy she barely knew to have sex because she didn't want her friends to think her a **** if she had sex with someone they knew.
 
If ever I needed proof that women (generalisation) were lacking in common sense then '****-walks' are the clearest indicator yet.

I'm all for the concept of rape being seen as a terrible and punishable thing, but knowing there's a danger of something bad happening because of your own behaviour/dress is something everyone should be aware of... it's not fair, but it's true.
I don't walk about with my wallet hanging out, because some thieving little **** will pinch it - it's not my fault and I'm not asking for my wallet to be stolen, but I would be remiss to not be aware and take appropriate caution that there are such things as thieves who will take advantage of what they see as an easy chance.

It's not fair. But the world is not a fair place and never will be.
The most obvious example represented here is dressing like a tart (we've all seen them on a friday/saturday night) and expecting that to be interpreted as a personal freedom statement and not as a suggestion of availability by some men is not just foolish, but naive. You can argue till the cows (or boilers) come home but if you don't want to goods handled don't put them on display when there might be an above average risk of attracting the wrong sort of attention.
People need to take more responsibility for themselves and the reality which they encounter.

I'm not advocating women should cover up, but they should be aware of the dangers of other people and act accordingly. Being raped is not their fault - they didn't deserve it, but this issue is a lot more complex than having the right to flaunt yourself in a sexually provocative manner or have bold or reserved body language used against you, which seems to be the counter argument from a lot of women's groups where this is an expression of freedom and empowerment.
Perhaps I'm missing the point, but somewhere along the line common sense has been lost. ****-walks seem to be missing the mark with the banner, if not the message.
 
So skim reading the thread i dont quite get it.
this walk of the *****, are they protesting against rape ?
are they saying women who got raped dressed like ***** ?
or do they want us to call them ***** to try and make it like ***** is just another acceptable word to use ?
 
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Tefal said:
But if the man decides he wants to take a few months of to do whatever the company can say fine your fired.

woman decides to have a child they have to keep paying her not to come to work, and hire a replacement to do the job she's not doing, so the woman represents a much bigger "risk".

Can't have it both ways.
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We do need some children or else humanity will become extinct.

The best solution is sexual equality in parenthood, which would remove most of the difference.
 
jamesblade said:
For One, not all women want or will have children.

Two, even if she does have a child and takes time off work, for the time she is working and doing her job she's potentialy doing it as good as any one else and should be paid the same.
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Tefal said:
But if the man decides he wants to take a few months of to do whatever the company can say fine your fired.

woman decides to have a child they have to keep paying her not to come to work, and hire a replacement to do the job she's not doing, so the woman represents a much bigger "risk".

Can't have it both ways.
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Take a few months off to do whatever ? doing whatever isn't having a child is it .. Laws entitling men to take longer periods of paternity leave are in place and potentialy increasing but it's still the women who carries the next generation for 9 months, she derserves a rest... and her job back if she was doing it to a good standerd before her and her partner decided or usualy decide to have a child.

Most companys allow employees to take an extended abcense in some form or another, If a man reay needed a length of time off work for Whatever he could sort it out through the right channels, HR etc.

Finding it hard to understand why some people are so narrow minded and victorian in thier views towards women in this thread ... :confused:
 
jamesblade said:
Take a few months off to do whatever ? doing whatever isn't having a child is it .. Laws entitling men to take longer periods of paternity leave are in place and potentialy increasing but it's still the women who carries the next generation for 9 months, she derserves a rest... and her job back if she was doing it to a good standerd before her and her partner decided or usualy decide to have a child.

Most companys allow employees to take an extended abcense in some form or another, If a man reay needed a length of time off work for Whatever he could sort it out through the right channels, HR etc.

Finding it hard to understand why some people are so narrow minded and victorian in thier views towards women in this thread ... :confused:
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I'm not saying they shouldn't have maternity leave, just that it makes them a considerably larger risk, especially for a small employer that cant afford to be paying a member of staff to do nothing.
 
Tefal said:
I'm not saying they shouldn't have maternity leave, just that it makes them a considerably larger risk, especially for a small employer that cant afford to be paying a member of staff to do nothing.
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So post menopausal or barren women pose no risk and should be paid the same as men? :D
 
gambitt said:
Come on now, of course a young attractive woman is more likely to be raped than an ugly old woman.
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No concrete evidence to support that view, it's a myth perpetrated by society unfortunately.
With the case of date-rape there may be a stronger correlation but again it's difficult to come down firmly one way or another.

No wonder rape reports are so worrying low. The sheer misogynistic, arrogant and frankly idiotic views within this thread are enough to put anyone off reporting rape for fear of being blamed for it. Some people seem to almost remove any wrongdoing from the point of the rapist because the woman had "their goods on show". Because a woman decides to dress in such a way gives absolutely no reason for anyone else to interact with her in any way she does not explicitly desire.
 
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